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| Quote ="WormInHand"Is it anuses or anii? Or even ani?
Either way, it's risky taking it up alone. As I mentioned on our board, the Super League clubs need to approach this collectively. Did Agar get fined?'" I was thinking more about folks that have in the past had things to say.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I was thinking more about folks that have in the past had things to say.'"
Hudge has [ialways[/i had plenty to say. Costly, sometimes in more ways than one. Think Pearson is wary of this.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Hudge has [ialways[/i had plenty to say. Costly, sometimes in more ways than one. Think Pearson is wary of this.'" Like I said on your board if the usual situationis 'gobbing off then just paying the fine' then the usual responce it what AP will get and the status quo won't change.
NH and AP sat together gives the RFL something out of the usual to deal with and you could probably throw Koucash in there as well. The RFL couldn't just pretend it didn't happen no matter how much they would want to.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Like I said on your board if the usual situationis 'gobbing off then just paying the fine' then the usual responce it what AP will get and the status quo won't change.
NH and AP sat together gives the RFL something out of the usual to deal with and you could probably throw Koucash in there as well. The RFL couldn't just pretend it didn't happen no matter how much they would want to.'"
Get has meny owners and coach's has possible that has fell out with them and maybe something will be done but I don't think so do you
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Is it anuses or anii? Or even ani?
Either way, it's risky taking it up alone. As I mentioned on our board, the Super League clubs need to approach this collectively. Did Agar get fined?'"
I say, steady on.
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| I hope he gets his chance to put his argument but knowing the RFL it will be sewn up before he gets through the door. I just dont get how they operate ? every meeting & discaplinary sould be open to public scrutiny & every interested party should be able to voice thier concerns without risking censure the only restrictions should be the confines of British law with regards to slander or libel. Only comercial sensative items should be kept out of the public domain.
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| i`m a hull fc supporter,but i entirely agree with what hudge has said.
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| Quote ="edinburgh yorkie"i`m a hull fc supporter, but i entirely agree with what hudge has said.'"
Hard not to ,bizarre isn`t it?
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| Much as I want him to succeed, I do think he's in a no win situation. They have no respect for anyone else's opinion and despite the fact that everyone knows that Neil is correct, the RFL will dismiss him out of hand and, knowing them, will probably increase the size of the fine. They should change their name to the Star Chamber (students of history will know what I mean).
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Much as I want him to succeed, I do think he's in a no win situation. They have no respect for anyone else's opinion and despite the fact that everyone knows that Neil is correct, the RFL will dismiss him out of hand and, knowing them, will probably increase the size of the fine. They should change their name to the Star Chamber (students of history will know what I mean).'" Ah yes the British establishment at it best was that
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| Hudge has to try but I don't see this ending well for him.
However, can Neil now turn has anger to the poor decision making of his coach?
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| What has happened to freedom of speech in this country, it's getting like a Russian state speak out of turn and you get fined could be worse I suppose he could be sent to Siberia or even worse West Hull. Everything he and Pearson have said is quite true the disciplinary panel is an absolute shambles I don't know how true it is but I was told that one of the panel is a relation of a Hull Vice President now if this is true how can he sit on a disciplinary panel with an unbiased view especially if a Rovers player is up before them. I have been involved in rugby league for over 50 years as a player coach and supporter but what is happening to our game is going to kill it. if I am wrong about the Hull FCC connection then I stand corrected but I was told by the usual ( good source ) any other comments would be nice to hear
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| Isn't Fairburn part of the disciplinary panel?
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"Isn't Fairburn part of the disciplinary panel?'"
Not that I know of I do not actually know who is on the panel. Surely the panel should be made up of people with no alliance to any player coming up on front of the them, there should be enough of them to cover all eventualities My previous post was created in the hope of getting some feed back from anyone that does know the answers. If there are 14 clubs why not have 14 members possibly all ex players one from each club, if a rovers player is on trial then no none from Hull or Rovers should be on the panel same as if a Wigan player is up none from Wigan should be involved as Stevo says it's that simple or am. I wrong?
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| Quote ="easthull4"Not that I know of I do not actually know who is on the panel. Surely the panel should be made up of people with no alliance to any player coming up on front of the them, there should be enough of them to cover all eventualities My previous post was created in the hope of getting some feed back from anyone that does know the answers. If there are 14 clubs why not have 14 members possibly all ex players one from each club, if a rovers player is on trial then no none from Hull or Rovers should be on the panel same as if a Wigan player is up none from Wigan should be involved as Stevo says it's that simple or am. I wrong?'" You are right in your view but you are also wrong in that it does actually happen that way unfortunately.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"You are right in your view but you are also wrong in that it does actually happen that way unfortunately.'"
Surely it's a conflict of interest a judge or a barrister aren't allowed to sit on a judgment if they have any connection to the Person up in court it should be the same for the RFL Panel. I have just looked on the RFL web site and the panel has 3 members on a rota basis George Fairburns name is not among the panel rota shown for January to May 2014 it is the same people and mixtures of ex player Icram Butt Danny Sculthorpe Graham. Hallas a guy called Charlesworth and others did not take all names just ones I had heard of and one. I didn't
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| You didn't what?
Hide on the grassy knoll?
Give the order to sink The Belgrano?
Supply my Man Of The Year, Paul Flowers with class A drugs and rent boys?
My friend Lee was at some of those parties and everyone knew that Minister Flowers had a penchant for a bit of Columbian marching powder and a delicate young thing.
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| Neil is quite right about the decisions being made before you even get in there. The onus is on you to prove you are innocent and not for them to prove you are guilty. If you have different video angles of alleged incidents they won't let you use them. They won't accept scientific evidence. You can't use previous incidents to highlight why you think an incident should be a lower grade or not considered at all.
Its not worth appealing as you have to put up an extra £300 before the appeal starts and if you lose (which, being from Hull you will) then you lose the £300 also.
The whole of Red Hall needs a shake up, they should also relocate to central Leeds so that players could get the train in. The stately house of Red Hall is very impressive but hardly easily accessible to all.
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| Quote ="el red"Neil is quite right about the decisions being made before you even get in there. The onus is on you to prove you are innocent and not for them to prove you are guilty. If you have different video angles of alleged incidents they won't let you use them. They won't accept scientific evidence. You can't use previous incidents to highlight why you think an incident should be a lower grade or not considered at all.
Its not worth appealing as you have to put up an extra £300 before the appeal starts and if you lose (which, being from Hull you will) then you lose the £300 also.
The whole of Red Hall needs a shake up, they should also relocate to central Leeds so that players could get the train in. The stately house of Red Hall is very impressive but hardly easily accessible to all.'"
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