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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Hally has never being thrown to the wolves...he has had a lot of opportunities (more than some) to stamp his authority and[u stake a regular position,[/u he has failed in this as the fact remains he does not cut the cloth as a SL player.'"
What position would that be??
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"What position would that be??'"
TBF for the 2008 season Peter Sharp gave Craig Hall the number 4 squad number and he did start the season in the centres he just never made that position his own but it shows that Hull's coaching team must have had high hopes for him at that time.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"TBF for the 2008 season Peter Sharp gave Craig Hall the number 4 squad number and he did start the season in the centres he just never made that position his own but it shows that Hull's coaching team must have had high hopes for him at that time.'"
Berrigan had the 9 shirt, but rarely played there. The point is Hall has produced his best rugby in the first team when he has played in his best position, left centre.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Berrigan had the 9 shirt, but rarely played there. The point is Hall has produced his best rugby in the first team when he has played in his best position, left centre.'"
Where would he play for Rovers whose squad includes Webster. Welham, Ratu and possibly Walker? Surely his opportunities would be more likely to come on the wing, which as you say is not his best position.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Where would he play for Rovers whose squad includes Webster. Welham, Ratu and possibly Walker? Surely his opportunities would be more likely to come on the wing, which as you say is not his best position.'"
I very much doubt Ratu and Walker will be at Hull KR next season. Hall will have to prove himself but he is a far more skillful centre than either of the other two. If Rovers were to move Fox back to the left wing (where he should be) and have Hall as his centre it could well be one of the most potent attacking combos in the league.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Berrigan had the 9 shirt, but rarely played there. The point is Hall has produced his best rugby in the first team when he has played in his best position, left centre.'"
Berrigan has played 3,4,6,7,9 and 13 at a far higher standard then Super League so when injuries kick in his utility is invaluable, that is testament to his ability (though some fans may not appreciate it!)
Going back to the point that Hall hasnt had the opportunity I still believe he has had the chances at Hull to really nail down the centre spot but hasnt taken it. In 2008 Hull moved Yeaman across to right centre for a period mid season to cater for Hall at left centre whether or not he did enough to keep the shirt is debatable but clearly not in the coaches eyes.
By saying Hall is a left centre or bust is kind of saying play him anywhere else and he is a liability. I am not sure a centre in a squad game should have no flexibility position wise.
That said I agree that a confident Craig Hall playing left centre with Fox outside of him COULD be a potentially lethal pairing.
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| we will see what happens tonight,no doubt there will be the usual suspects on our site lineing up to blame him for what ever happens easier to blame him"including agar" as he is leaving!We all know craig has some points to his game that needs immediate addressing much like everyone else his age i suspect,,but the kids scored 250+ points for hull you don't do that by a fluke or luck,,morgan will put him left centre i'd bet my substantial salary on it...
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I very much doubt Ratu and Walker will be at Hull KR next season. Hall will have to prove himself but he is a far more skillful centre than either of the other two. If Rovers were to move Fox back to the left wing (where he should be) and have Hall as his centre it could well be one of the most potent attacking combos in the league.'"
Ratu signed a 2 year deal when he joined last year, do you envisage him being paid off?
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"we will see what happens tonight,no doubt there will be the usual suspects on our site lineing up to blame him for what ever happens easier to blame him"including agar" as he is leaving!We all know craig has some points to his game that needs immediate addressing much like everyone else his age i suspect,,but the kids scored 250+ points for hull you don't do that by a fluke or luck,,morgan will put him left centre i'd bet my substantial salary on it...'"
You will always get people blaming Hall, Agar, Berro, etc, etc, its the nature of the beast unfortunately.
Everyone knows Hall has got ability that has never been in question and plenty of Rovers fans have taken pleasure in knocking the guy when he has self destructed on Sky games as well.
One thing is for sure Briers will send an early bomb in his direction tonight!
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"Ratu signed a 2 year deal when he joined last year, do you envisage him being paid off?'"
Fozzard signed a two year deal also.
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"Ratu signed a 2 year deal when he joined last year, do you envisage him being paid off?'"
If Hall does sign my one of three things would seem likely to be happening:
1. We're rebalancing the squad, going for more depths in the backs, at the expense of an experienced, non-club trained forward.
2. Colbon is leaving at the end of his contract and Hall would effectively take his spot in the squad.
3. Ratu will be paid off and Hall will take his spot.
We have to consider that next year we can only have 17 players that are not club trained in the top 25 earners - if we want new signings from outside of the club, we need to create spaces.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"
2. Colbon is leaving at the end of his contract and Hall would effectively take his spot in the squad.
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I'm really concerned about Colbon. When he was out injured there were lots of rumours about him penning a new deal, but its all gone quiet. Given the way Morgan likes the back 3 to take the ball up in our own 20, Colbon is far more use to us than Craig Hall. He drives in like a back rower and always makes good yards.
I hope we retain him, but I'm beginning to think he's gone.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Berrigan has played 3,4,6,7,9 and 13 at a far higher standard then Super League so when injuries kick in his utility is invaluable, that is testament to his ability (though some fans may not appreciate it!)
Going back to the point that Hall hasnt had the opportunity I still believe he has had the chances at Hull to really nail down the centre spot but hasnt taken it. In 2008 Hull moved Yeaman across to right centre for a period mid season to cater for Hall at left centre whether or not he did enough to keep the shirt is debatable but clearly not in the coaches eyes.
By saying Hall is a left centre or bust is kind of saying play him anywhere else and he is a liability. I am not sure a centre in a squad game should have no flexibility position wise.
That said I agree that a confident Craig Hall playing left centre with Fox outside of him COULD be a potentially lethal pairing.'"
Some players are able to play in a variety of positions and some aren't. IIRC Yeaman when he played right centre was very poor and was swiftly moved back to the left (and that is without trying him on the wing, at f/b and at s/o ). IMO there is too much emphasis on versatility these days and nothing on position specifics, Craig made his name as a left centre and its his preferred position. It therefore seems foolish to judge his ability on postitions that are not suited to him and ones he doesn't feel comfortable playing in.
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"I'm really concerned about Colbon. When he was out injured there were lots of rumours about him penning a new deal, but its all gone quiet. Given the way Morgan likes the back 3 to take the ball up in our own 20, Colbon is far more use to us than Craig Hall. He drives in like a back rower and always makes good yards.
I hope we retain him, but I'm beginning to think he's gone.'"
My assumption has been that he'd get a couple of games, then it'd be announced after a defeat. We've won every game since he came back, so I'm still hopeful but just starting to be concerned. Webster to the wing, [uif[/u it happened?
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"I'm really concerned about Colbon. When he was out injured there were lots of rumours about him penning a new deal, but its all gone quiet. Given the way Morgan likes the back 3 to take the ball up in our own 20, Colbon is far more use to us than Craig Hall. He drives in like a back rower and always makes good yards.
I hope we retain him, but I'm beginning to think he's gone.'"
Colbon will sign.
Although i think he's the least effective of the back three as he tends to get controlled in the tackle more than Fox or Briscoe.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"IMO there is too much emphasis on versatility these days and nothing on position specifics'"
Spot on , unfortunately one of the problems of many modern coaches following the crowd rather than thinking for themselves..
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Some players are able to play in a variety of positions and some aren't. IIRC Yeaman when he played right centre was very poor and was swiftly moved back to the left (and that is without trying him on the wing, at f/b and at s/o
). IMO there is too much emphasis on versatility these days and nothing on position specifics, Craig made his name as a left centre and its his preferred position. It therefore seems foolish to judge his ability on postitions that are not suited to him and ones he doesn't feel comfortable playing in.'"
Yeaman wasnt very poor at right centre and I guess that is my point here. Although he wasnt as good as he is at left centre his whole world didnt collapse when playing in an unfamilar position.
Yeaman also proved quite effective on the left wing as a youngster in 2003 when he first broke into the first team as well IMO.
I agree that players do naturally perform better in their specialist postion and I think a utility tag can actually be a negative thing for some players but it is Craigs lack of confidence when things go wrong that really need improving.
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Spot on , unfortunately one of the problems of many modern coaches following the crowd rather than thinking for themselves..'"
Maybe, rather than "following the crowd" (I'm a member of the crowd and I don't recall seeing any qualified RL coaches following me!) versitility is becoming part of the modern game due to the Salary Cap? With a squad limited to 25 players, clubs can't afford too many specialists these days.
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"Maybe, rather than "following the crowd" (I'm a member of the crowd and I don't recall seeing any qualified RL coaches following me!) versitility is becoming part of the modern game due to the Salary Cap? With a squad limited to 25 players, clubs can't afford too many specialists these days.
Just a thought.'"
the same sort of squad size as say Man Utd and i dont ever remember seeing ferdinand up front
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"the same sort of squad size as say Man Utd and i dont ever remember seeing ferdinand up front'"
11-a-side. Man Utd have got 38 players listed as first team squad - fair enough 8 or 9 I've never heard of, but Jonny Evans is number 31. A few of those have played across the backline or adapted to different roles up front. I don't necessarily expect my reserve full back to be able to play prop, but if, like Cockayne, they can cover the 3/4 line and play hooker at a push, that is pretty valuable. Remember too that a lot of 25-man squads are carrying a couple of young developing players who you want to bring on gradually rather than having to stick them in week in, week out as soon as the first choice player in their position is injured.
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That looks a pretty strong team to me. Watts will have a big year next year imo.
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott" Watts will have a big year next year imo.'"
Had a big year [ithis[/i year for me from what I have seen of Rovers!
Looks to have all the attributes to go a long way in the game.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Had a big year [ithis[/i year for me from what I have seen of Rovers!
Looks to have all the attributes to go a long way in the game.'"
Reminds me alot of Sam Burgess.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"the same sort of squad size as say Man Utd and i dont ever remember seeing ferdinand up front'"
Superb analogy. I'm sure you thought long and hard before typing.
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"Reminds me alot of Sam Burgess.'"
I almost put the same!!
Had a similar impact in his first year in first grade as Sam with offloads in the tackle etc. Maybe missing a big hit or two...
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