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| Quote ="knocker norton"Graeme Horne very rarely misses any games with injury....
Surely good form should have been the preferred indicator?'"
Who mentioned injury? Not me.
It is some record for a prop to maintain form for a full season given the physical demands and intensity of the position.
Not quite sure where you are coming from with the Graham Horne comparison. A fringe player who fills in here and there?
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Who mentioned injury? Not me.
It is some record for a prop to maintain form for a full season given the physical demands and intensity of the position.
Not quite sure where you are coming from with the Graham Horne comparison. A fringe player who fills in here and there?'"
Maintain form! You didnt say that at all.
I dont think contracts should be given out solely on been available for every game in a season....
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Maintain form! You didnt say that at all.
I dont think contracts should be given out solely on been available for every game in a season....'"
If a player is selected for all 27 league games and 3 cup games i would suggest he has maintained his form. Wouldnt you?
There is also a world of difference between been available for selection and actually been selected.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"New swear filter in operation, I see.
The topic is Rovers 2010 if you're getting huffy about thread drift. I see electronic turnstiles, hideous away shirts, suboptimal retail operations, 2 more derby wins and a 5th place finish. And Cooke's contract not being renewed.'"
Good lord you really need to make it more difficult than this.
a) Thread drift is my stock in trade.
b) Couldn't give a monkeys how I get into the ground, it isn't my business.
c) You'll never catch me in anything other than Saville Row's finest.
d) Suboptimal ( is that really a word, other than in the dullest of accountant speak?) retail operations, sorry, I'm yawning again.
e Derby wins, you [ireally[/i need that pointing out to you as a women of your [iobvious[/i intelligence?
f) Cooke, after all this time, does anyone really give a fuc*?
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| Quote ="R.B.A"If a player is selected for all 27 league games and 3 cup games i would suggest he has maintained his form. Wouldnt you?
There is also a world of difference between been available for selection and actually been selected.
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So in a nutshell Mills rightly got a 2 year contract then for maintaining his form over 30 games?
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| Quote ="knocker norton"So in a nutshell Mills rightly got a 2 year contract then for maintaining his form over 30 games?
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Thats what i said in my first post.
You are adding weight to the cabbage claims mate.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Thats what i said in my first post.
You are adding weight to the cabbage claims mate.
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Dont agree with your argument. Think mitigating circumstances meant Mills played every game and I seem to remember surprise when a 2 year deal was handed to him.
I suppose last seasons non appearance and the call for a release by every man and his dog adds some weight to it not been the best move.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Dont agree with your argument. Think mitigating circumstances meant Mills played every game and I seem to remember surprise when a 2 year deal was handed to him.
I suppose last seasons non appearance and the call for a release by every man and his dog adds some weight to it not been the best move.
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Mitigating circumstances? Expain please.
Sam Moa has just been given a 2 year contract on the back of his performances this season. Who is to say how he will perform next season? Nobody can predict the future.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Mitigating circumstances? Expain please.
Sam Moa has just been given a 2 year contract on the back of his performances this season. Who is to say how he will perform next season? Nobody can predict the future.'"
Think the disappointing form of Crossman gave Mills more game time and your lack of depth at prop in general that year.
Last season when Vella got injured Mills must have thought 'here we go, I am in! time to maintain a bit of form....what do you mean Lovegrove is propping with netherton?'
Has Mills been given a fair crack since signing his deal or has Morgan changed his opinion big style?
Think Moa earned his contract by showing some 'good' form and he may well be gone at the end of next season, who knows, but I reckon he will need to play poorly to get released.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Think the disappointing form of Crossman gave Mills more game time and your lack of depth at prop in general that year.
Last season when Vella got injured Mills must have thought 'here we go, I am in! time to maintain a bit of form....what do you mean Lovegrove is propping with netherton?'
Has Mills been given a fair crack since signing his deal or has Morgan changed his opinion big style?
Think Moa earned his contract by showing some 'good' form and he may well be gone at the end of next season, who knows, but I reckon he will need to play poorly to get released.'"
Crossman missed only one game all 2008! Wigan away Easter Monday.
As i have said previously on this thread, Mills form has gone downhill fast this season and not taken advantage of any of his opportunities in first or reserve grade.
Doesnt change the fact he was worthy of the contract at the time it was offered.
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| Quote ="t.m.t.b.f."icon_rolleyes.gif 85k over 2 years'"
My fault that. RBA and me had a chat in a pub a good few weeks ago where i banded some figures about. For some reason though he thinks i'm in the know and has quoted it since.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Crossman missed only one game all 2008! Wigan away Easter Monday.
As i have said previously on this thread, Mills form has gone downhill fast this season and not taken advantage of any of his opportunities in first or reserve grade.
Doesnt change the fact he was worthy of the contract at the time it was offered.'"
So whats the arguement here, ive lost all track of what youre both on about?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"So whats the arguement here, ive lost all track of what youre both on about?
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Was giving David Mills a 2 year deal last year a mistakes!!!
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Was giving David Mills a 2 year deal last year a mistakes!!!'"
and i guess the answer is, at the time it wasnt but in hindset after 1 year of that deal yes it was? Are we all agreed?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"and i guess the answer is, at the time it wasnt but in hindset after 1 year of that deal yes it was? Are we all agreed?
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Never thought i would see the day that Big Dave T brought sanity to the proceedings!
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Never thought i would see the day that Big Dave T brought sanity to the proceedings!
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I had to mate. There's only room for 2 chuckle brothers on this site and you were in danger of making it 3!!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"and i guess the answer is, at the time it wasnt but in hindset after 1 year of that deal yes it was? Are we all agreed?
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are we ever..the guy has been pooop since his arrival.....his size and experiance should make him a first -teamer but no...he's rotting in the ressy's wheeldon, matt cooke,crossman,and fozzard have all been brought in tom play prop but have any set the world alight??? ,me thinks not...
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"are we ever..the guy has been pooop since his arrival.....his size and experiance should make him a first -teamer but no...he's rotting in the ressy's
wheeldon, matt cooke,crossman,and fozzard have all been brought in tom play prop but have any set the world alight??? ,me thinks not...'"
Wheeldon had a very good season for us and i believe will get even better next year, ffs Matt Cook hasn't even pulled the shirt on yet
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| Quote ="willowred"Wheeldon had a very good season for us and i believe will get even better next year, ffs Matt Cook hasn't even pulled the shirt on yet
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If he makes as many yards and plays like Lovegrove has lately, ill be happy
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Quote ="willowred"Wheeldon had a very good season for us and i believe will get even better next year, ffs Matt Cook hasn't even pulled the shirt on yet
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Did he, everytime I saw him he looked average.
For me he isnt big enough to make a top class prop, think he would be Ok as a backup.
Ewan Dowes was average last year for Hull and played the same ammount of games but has far better stats.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009
I think you need to sign two props next year to challenge for a trophy. One should be an impact prop to replace Aizue.
At a push sign a great prop and use Watts and Wheeldon as the 4th prop.
I suspect Morgan knows this and has targets lined up.
He seems to do pretty well with his overseas recruitment.
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Quote ="willowred"Wheeldon had a very good season for us and i believe will get even better next year, ffs Matt Cook hasn't even pulled the shirt on yet
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Did he, everytime I saw him he looked average.
For me he isnt big enough to make a top class prop, think he would be Ok as a backup.
Ewan Dowes was average last year for Hull and played the same ammount of games but has far better stats.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009
I think you need to sign two props next year to challenge for a trophy. One should be an impact prop to replace Aizue.
At a push sign a great prop and use Watts and Wheeldon as the 4th prop.
I suspect Morgan knows this and has targets lined up.
He seems to do pretty well with his overseas recruitment.
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| Quote ="willowred"Wheeldon had a very good season for us and i believe will get even better next year, ffs Matt Cook hasn't even pulled the shirt on yet
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Also Matt Cook is a backrow or centre dont think he has ever played prop.
He clearly doesnt know what he is talking about, I would ignore it if I was you.
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| Quote ="nick hkr"With Rhys and Vella starting props and Wheeldon plus one signing being the replacements and Netherton/Mills/Watts as the back up. Dont also forget that with Cook coming in we can push Newton to prop when needed to give us that guidance and experience in the middle.
I do however think Justin will sign a new prop that is much better off the bench than anything we currently have. There must be money in the pot for this with the players that have just left.
Ratu is possibly Jake Websters replacement for the future years with Hodgson depending on his first year being Fishers replacement with an experienced hooker coming in over the next year or two.
Dont forget also we have some academy players coming through of our own that are looking promising.
As much as I'd like to sign various players I dont think we'll over spend and blow our long term future in the top flight, I wouldnt mind finishing 6th next year as long as it was for the greater good of our future progression.'"
He's staying?!
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| Quote ="Dave K."Did he, everytime I saw him he looked average.
For me he isnt big enough to make a top class prop, think he would be Ok as a backup.
Ewan Dowes was average last year for Hull and played the same ammount of games but has far better stats.
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Wheeldon is one of those props that runs hard and wears his heart on his sleeve which endears him to a lot of fans. I was saying when he was at FC in his early days that he could play for GB and how good he was. I was disappointed also when we didnt keep him. At the same time my Rovers friends were calling him average. It would appear we have changed our opinions as fans becuase he has moved clubs. Funny that
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