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| Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"I think your both mixing up business acumen and expertise with unprofessional. He's unprofessional in his attitude, the way he conducts himself and the way he portrays your club.'"
Is this The Super League Club of the Year 2008?
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| Quote ="Uruguay"I must admit that it is a slight concern, but your comment that Hudgell is "unprofessional" is without any real back up, in sport he has taken a team from near closure to the best league in Europe and in his personal life runs a successful law practice. I wish i could be that unprofessional.'"
He has gambled the future of the club IMO. You will seriously need to increase revenue to even start clawing back the money you owe. Look at how long its taken FC to start reducing its debt and we are a much bigger club with much bigger revenue streams. Thats not a dig by the way you are clearly the better team at the moment but we are talking about the actual club. You only have to look at the likes of Saints who get bigger crowds then you and receive loads of prize money yet continue to make a loss to see how difficult it is going to be for Rovers to even break even in the near future. IMO (I may well be wrong) but he has been letting his heart rule his head in a desire to get Rovers as competitive as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe it will pay off in the long run but I cant really see how at the moment.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Was he a fan of the legal profession? He clearly cannot seperate the two and keep a clear head when it comes to Rovers.'"
I have no idea, besides it's irrellevant. I was merely replying to your ill-judged statement:
Quote ="Robbo4"This is what happens when you let someone unprofessional run a business.'"
Which is clearly bull-crap given his successful legal "empire"
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"I have no idea, besides it's irrellevant. I was merely replying to your ill-judged statement:
Which is clearly bull-crap given his successful legal "empire"'"
He has been unprofessional in his conduct as HKR chairman IMO. I have no knowledge of his actions as a "lawyer" so cant comment on those.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has gambled the future of the club IMO.'"
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, however mis-guided it may be. An alternative way to look at this would be that if he had just come in and steadied the ship we would have all but dissapeared by now, as we would have missed out on a Franchise and another generation of support would have passed the club by.
He's merely provided the city with a vibrant RL scene, as can clearly be seen by the upsurge in attendences at both clubs since 2006. Without us, you would most probably still be averaging about 10k. Whether you like it or not, having a rival around polarises support and gets people out of their armchairs and into the stadiums.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has been unprofessional in his conduct as HKR chairman IMO. I have no knowledge of his actions as a "lawyer" so cant comment on those.'"
And you have "selective" knowledge of his actions as Chairman of HKR. As I said at the very top of this thread, I think he has confused opinions of some fans with that of the club they support, however, NH will always receive my 100% support and gratitude for rescuing my club. Other clubs can only dream of having such leadership.
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, however mis-guided it may be. An alternative way to look at this would be that if he had just come in and steadied the ship we would have all but dissapeared by now, as we would have missed out on a Franchise and another generation of support would have passed the club by.
He's merely provided the city with a vibrant RL scene, as can clearly be seen by the upsurge in attendences at both clubs since 2006. Without us, you would most probably still be averaging about 10k. Whether you like it or not, having a rival around polarises support and gets people out of their armchairs and into the stadiums.'"
Fair points. All I will say is that IMO you have tried to grow too quickly and it could cost you. Time will tell I suppose and it would be a shame as I enjoy having Rovers in SL despite what I may say on this forum
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"And you have "selective" knowledge of his actions as Chairman of HKR. As I said at the very top of this thread, I think he has confused opinions of some fans with that of the club they support, however, NH will always receive my 100% support and gratitude for rescuing my club. Other clubs can only dream of having such leadership.'"
Correct and pretty much all of my knowledge of him as HKR chairman points to him being unprofessional in that capacity. It may well be wrong but thats the impression I have of him.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The title of the thread may give you a clue
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| Quote ="Robbo4" I enjoy having Rovers in SL'"
1. Finally, something we agree on.
2. Sig material anyone?
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| Quote ="Reddan"another dig at hull :yawn:
don't see the need, just makes us look bitter IMHO.'"
Quote ="redder3"Although its nice to read and a good giggle, its not the words of a chairman, more of a fans forum member. He needs to put aside his 'fan' credentials when writing in official programmes/papers etc.'"
Quote ="milpool"Indeed, it's comments like this that tend to come back and bite you on the bum.'"
A selection of quotes from the 6 fingered forum.
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| Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"I think your both mixing up business acumen and expertise with unprofessional. He's unprofessional in his attitude, the way he conducts himself and the way he portrays your club.'"
better highly competent and unprofessional than professional and incompetent, eh?
Quote ="Robbo4"He has gambled the future of the club IMO. You will seriously need to increase revenue to even start clawing back the money you owe. Look at how long its taken FC to start reducing its debt and we are a much bigger club with much bigger revenue streams. Thats not a dig by the way you are clearly the better team at the moment but we are talking about the actual club. You only have to look at the likes of Saints who get bigger crowds then you and receive loads of prize money yet continue to make a loss to see how difficult it is going to be for Rovers to even break even in the near future. IMO (I may well be wrong) but he has been letting his heart rule his head in a desire to get Rovers as competitive as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe it will pay off in the long run but I cant really see how at the moment.'"
He had to gamble though really - a conservative approach wouldn't have got to us to where we are. Conservatism can be a gamble in itself - that is the underlying thrust of a lot of posts on your board, IMO. Now the challenge is to make a go of where we are. As you say, even Saints don't make money - RL is not a place to build a fortune, I fear. Saints recently turned debt into shares, such is the commitment of their backers. Rovers board has a good record in that respect too, but new revenue will have to be found sooner of later - SL is the place to find it at least. Failing that, maybe we can just trundle along as an East Yorkshire version of Wakefield - I'd have taken that 4 or even 3 years ago. Its possible that Rovers aren't viable as a SL team long-term, but with crowds of 8K, I think we should be able to get by. The headline loss figure is only part of the story of the accounts - how much of that is down to one off payments for capital investment (floodlights, east stand extension etc)? While losses were steady, turnover was up, so the business (as well as the debt), is growing.
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| Quote ="Stan Butler"A selection of quotes from the 6 fingered forum.'"
Thanks, but there really is no need to quote me from another forum just to prove once again that you can log in to it.
I've said as much, if not more on this very thread.
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| Quote ="Stan Butler"I would rather have somebody who is professional at their job, bear in mind these are the people that negotiate sponsorship etc etc.
Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking Grudge's passion, just questioning where he draws the line between being a fan, and running a professional business.'"
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has been unprofessional in his conduct as HKR chairman IMO. I have no knowledge of his actions as a "lawyer" so cant comment on those.'"
Please dont talk so much absolute rubbish
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has gambled the future of the club IMO. You will seriously need to increase revenue to even start clawing back the money you owe. Look at how long its taken FC to start reducing its debt and we are a much bigger club with much bigger revenue streams. Thats not a dig by the way you are clearly the better team at the moment but we are talking about the actual club. You only have to look at the likes of Saints who get bigger crowds then you and receive loads of prize money yet continue to make a loss to see how difficult it is going to be for Rovers to even break even in the near future. IMO (I may well be wrong) but he has been letting his heart rule his head in a desire to get Rovers as competitive as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe it will pay off in the long run but I cant really see how at the moment.'"
With far greater financial outgoings, (your rent alone dwarfs Hull krs).
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"1. Finally, something we agree on.
2. Sig material anyone?
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My go:
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... maybe we can just trundle along as an East Yorkshire version of Wakefield'"
Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"Our Chairman should learn to differentiate between wind-up merchants on the internet, and the RL team they support.'"
Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Or tell suppliers to stop publicising how much money the club owe them and how they are struggling to get paid?
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| Judging by the comments of the Hull fans on this forum its mission accomplished Neil
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The last section is equally as interesting.
'Knowledgeable fans are not fooled nor should they be by promises of big names around the corner.This competition should be about here and now and not next season.
Anything less is selling those supporters short in my view'.'"
From the man who declared in the Yorkshire Post that two "top drawer" signings would be announced "between now and the end of the year" when Rovers had lost 5 of their last 7. And coincidentally around the time of trying to mask a 23% increase in ticket prices with a half-baked and ill-communicated membership scheme. Excuse me whilst I choke on the stench of hypocrisy.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"From the man who declared in the Yorkshire Post that two "top drawer" signings would be announced "between now and the end of the year" when Rovers had lost 5 of their last 7. And coincidentally around the time of trying to mask a 23% increase in ticket prices with a half-baked and ill-communicated membership scheme. Excuse me whilst I choke on the stench of hypocrisy.
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So as he said 'the end of year' exactly what has he gone back on.
Hull announced their 'top drawer' signings during a season long losing streak.
And the membership scheme is going fine thanks Mrs Obsessed
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So as he said 'the end of year' exactly what has he gone back on.'"
He was criticising clubs for promising new players for next season during this season. Having the previous week promised "2 top drawer players" for next season. Apologies if the double standards there are too subtle for you. At least our announcements were actual players that us fans don't pay for until December.. Yours are vague promises that fans are paying for 8 months in advance. Short-changed indeed.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He was criticising clubs for promising new players for next season during this season. Having the previous week promised "2 top drawer players" for next season. Apologies if the double standards there are too subtle for you. At least our announcements were actual players that us fans don't pay for until December.. Yours are vague promises that fans are paying for 8 months in advance. Short-changed indeed.
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You best read the programme.
He has no need to appease the Rovers fans this season as the play offs are virtually guarenteed with the current group of players.
Where as across on your forum several threads have sprung up all year from fans saying they will not purchase a season pass in 2010 because of the dire standard of rugby Hull FC produce
Confirmed in this next extract in which he refers to recruitment
'Let me assure everyone that we are very active on that front.
We will only bring in players though that add something to the squad so i suppose now we are getting more established our recruitment becomes more selective and patient as a result'
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