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| The delay in an announcement might be due to the fact that hudgell is in Spain on holiday this week it's all sorted investment wise so that should put all the Hull fans who are worrying minds at rest
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"The delay in an announcement might be due to the fact that hudgell is in Spain on holiday this week it's all sorted investment wise so that should put all the Hull fans who are worrying minds at rest'"
Thanks for that Frankie. I'll be able to sleep easier knowing that.
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| fun time frankie the investment you talk about is it the sponsors putting money in to keep our kr afloat for this year and next or is it a new investor who wants to buy hull kr, yes i know neil is in spain he stays at wayne parker's villa
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"fun time frankie the investment you talk about is it the sponsors putting money in to keep our kr afloat for this year and next or is it a new investor who wants to buy hull kr, yes i know neil is in spain he stays at wayne parker's villa'"
Need to have faith in our club yes buy you are correct ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| ginger i have faith in hull kr i always have, i don't have faith in mike smith. but i do with neil, and i hope that you and seventy red are right. cos it will be so quiet from the other side for a while. will it not oh wait no they are world beaters at the moment cos they robbed us and beat a injured hit leeds team.. i only worry we will lose some good players by signing netherton on til end of season why???????????????
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"ginger i have faith in hull kr i always have, i don't have faith in mike smith. but i do with neil, and i hope that you and seventy red are right. cos it will be so quiet from the other side for a while. will it not oh wait no they are world beaters at the moment cos they robbed us and beat a injured hit leeds team.. i only worry we will lose some good players by signing netherton on til end of season why???????????????'"
I think again next season will be different u think how long FC have bin in SL and how long we have bin in SL big big difference FC have a decent squad now but take a couple of they're top players out they're same as other clubs, wel be right ul see ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Netherton is cheap and reliable and can tackle and has experience which were lacking a bit at the moment
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| Quote ="gingerspice"I think again next season will be different u think how long FC have bin in SL and how long we have bin in SL big big difference FC have a decent squad now but take a couple of they're top players out they're same as other clubs, wel be right ul see
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Like Horne, Tickle and Whiting, for instance?
And we won the Challenge Cup in our eighth season in Super League and then reached the Grand Final in our ninth.
This is your seventh, I believe.
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| wow come on u hull, i like you cos you are saying kr will win challenge cup next year then go to grand final, a year later. i will take that any day thank u,
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Like Horne, Tickle and Whiting, for instance?
And we won the Challenge Cup in our eighth season in Super League and then reached the Grand Final in our ninth.
This is your seventh, I believe.'"
How many seasons did it take Warrington to get to a grand final? They are still a far better side than you.
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| Quote ="roversmad"How many seasons did it take Warrington to get to a grand final? They are still a far better side than you.'"
No rush for you lot then ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"No rush for you lot then
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Your point was pointless then.
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| Quote ="roversmad"Your point was pointless then.'"
Well you'd be the expert in that ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"I spotted Larvin within minutes as a no go ! The delay of announcement shows they must be debating ADMINISTRATION , it is realistically the only way forward for a NEW investor but certainly not the existing owners'" Someone who had a clue would not post any old rhubarb that entered his head and pass it off as reasoned debate.
Maybe you could give it a try?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Well you'd be the expert in that
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If that is the best you can do you may as well not have bothered. #ivemademyselflookawithmyseventhseasonnonsense
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| Quote ="roversmad"If that is the best you can do you may as well not have bothered. #ivemademyselflookawithmyseventhseasonnonsense'"
I thought you said you don't go on about Hull FC? You've not stopped banging on about us all night.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I thought you said you don't go on about Hull FC? You've not stopped banging on about us all night.'"
And there is me thinking i was replying to your post about rovers being in there seventh sl season. Correct me if im wrong but, I dont recall mentioning any other team than Warrington...
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| getting back on topic about the investment im hoping we hear something soon?
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| The stalling is probably due to due dilligence unearthing the unviable business model.
Investor person has lost a bit of initial enthusiasm as their accountant took an involuntary gasp when he saw how the business model has been running and how debt will need to be serviced going forward. Of course Mr Hudgell and Crossland will rightly want to recoup some of their loans and in a brisk timeframe , naturally.
The Salary Cap just looks way to high at £1.5m and really it needs trimming to £1 million. However this is why the talks are stalling , £1m on wages. How can they chase success on £1m but how can they run the club on break even basis, without reducing the Cap by £500,000.
£500,000 is what the Club loses each year so common sense says reduce the wage bill as there are no other costs left to reduce. Neil has already cut to the bone remember.
BUT will gate revenue fall if it is a team of kids finishing 12th/13th ? maybe bottom ?
So for me that's why there is no announcement . The new investor would love a crack at it but with a clean slate and we all know what a clean slate involves for the current debt holders.
A catch 22 ? mexican stand off ?
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"The stalling is probably due to due dilligence unearthing the unviable business model.
Investor person has lost a bit of initial enthusiasm as their accountant took an involuntary gasp when he saw how the business model has been running and how debt will need to be serviced going forward. Of course Mr Hudgell and Crossland will rightly want to recoup some of their loans and in a brisk timeframe , naturally.
The Salary Cap just looks way to high at £1.5m and really it needs trimming to £1 million. However this is why the talks are stalling , £1m on wages. How can they chase success on £1m but how can they run the club on break even basis, without reducing the Cap by £500,000.
£500,000 is what the Club loses each year so common sense says reduce the wage bill as there are no other costs left to reduce. Neil has already cut to the bone remember.
BUT will gate revenue fall if it is a team of kids finishing 12th/13th ? maybe bottom ?
So for me that's why there is no announcement . The new investor would love a crack at it but with a clean slate and we all know what a clean slate involves for the current debt holders.
A catch 22 ? mexican stand off ?'"
I lost interest after the second word. . . yawn ![CRAZY d040.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//d040.gif)
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"The stalling is probably due to due dilligence unearthing the unviable business model.
Investor person has lost a bit of initial enthusiasm as their accountant took an involuntary gasp when he saw how the business model has been running and how debt will need to be serviced going forward. Of course Mr Hudgell and Crossland will rightly want to recoup some of their loans and in a brisk timeframe , naturally.
The Salary Cap just looks way to high at £1.5m and really it needs trimming to £1 million. However this is why the talks are stalling , £1m on wages. How can they chase success on £1m but how can they run the club on break even basis, without reducing the Cap by £500,000.
£500,000 is what the Club loses each year so common sense says reduce the wage bill as there are no other costs left to reduce. Neil has already cut to the bone remember.
BUT will gate revenue fall if it is a team of kids finishing 12th/13th ? maybe bottom ?
So for me that's why there is no announcement . The new investor would love a crack at it but with a clean slate and we all know what a clean slate involves for the current debt holders.
A catch 22 ? mexican stand off ?'"
Whether and the extent to which the debt stays on the books might be an issue, as that would be where the power or control would ultimately lay. That is what is important, rather than the cash itself, which is effectively gone.
that running a SL club as a viable business isn't feasible for most, we seem to have finally accepted. Investment is inevitably, to a large extent, really subsidy. Nobody will invest with a view to making money. Which might mean nobody invests. Or somebody might do it to pursue sporting success.
More likely, IMO, is that there's a deal to keep us ticking over but no announcement has been made yet either because:
A. It is only very early June, and they haven't quite got around to it or
B. they're still trying to secure an additional or alternative deal.
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| If , as you suggest , a deal is struck to keep you going , is that not a loan from the new investor ?
If it is a loan then unless the whole business model changes then they won't see it again. Is that what any normal fan of a club would do ? Invest knowing there is little chance of seeing a return of capital nor indeed a return on capital invested. Are there really any Sugar Daddy's left ?
I would imagine a new investor would also have to line up behind Allams as a creditor as well. Also if the SL moves to 12 teams in 2015 would Rovers really be 1 of the Clubs and thus what about income streams ?
A LOT to think on and hence delays in announcements
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"If , as you suggest , a deal is struck to keep you going , is that not a loan from the new investor ?
If it is a loan then unless the whole business model changes then they won't see it again. Is that what any normal fan of a club would do ? Invest knowing there is little chance of seeing a return of capital nor indeed a return on capital invested. Are there really any Sugar Daddy's left ?
I would imagine a new investor would also have to line up behind Allams as a creditor as well. Also if the SL moves to 12 teams in 2015 would Rovers really be 1 of the Clubs and thus what about income streams ?
A LOT to think on and hence delays in announcements'"
Happily for RL there are a good number of sugar daddies around. McManus, Moran, Koukash, Hughes, Davy - none of them are in it to enrich themselves.
The rfl have said that the clubs that drop down a level will be the bottom 2 with no exemptions or protection. A bad season and it could be us - as it could be any 2 of about 8, realistically.
If we make the cut and SL holds onto all the money, we're a bit better off. Hopefully the north stand will turn a few quid. You never know quite how things are going to turn out - that's the gamble and excitement of it. We're a better bet than some, but it is very much a niche market.
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| For a rovers supporter,you dont arf talk a lot of common sense mild rover, ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) , for what its worth as i have said many times we need 2 hull teams in sl,
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"The stalling is probably due to due dilligence unearthing the unviable business model.
Investor person has lost a bit of initial enthusiasm as their accountant took an involuntary gasp when he saw how the business model has been running and how debt will need to be serviced going forward. Of course Mr Hudgell and Crossland will rightly want to recoup some of their loans and in a brisk timeframe , naturally.
The Salary Cap just looks way to high at £1.5m and really it needs trimming to £1 million. However this is why the talks are stalling , £1m on wages. How can they chase success on £1m but how can they run the club on break even basis, without reducing the Cap by £500,000.
£500,000 is what the Club loses each year so common sense says reduce the wage bill as there are no other costs left to reduce. Neil has already cut to the bone remember.
BUT will gate revenue fall if it is a team of kids finishing 12th/13th ? maybe bottom ?
So for me that's why there is no announcement . The new investor would love a crack at it but with a clean slate and we all know what a clean slate involves for the current debt holders.
A catch 22 ? mexican stand off ?'" You decided to stick with posting Rhubarb then.
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