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| I don't mind wakey at all. I think the main thing that is wrong is the way they appear to have not had the assistance of the RFL as Crusaders have. THat said, you cannot blame the administrators in any way, who are servicing the creditors, who after all, have been hit worst of all. When you run a club at a loss, sadly, this is what happens.
I hope Wakefield emerge strongly from this, but it might take a while.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I'm not the one using emotive language like "raping" Wakefield though. The inconvenient truth is that Hudgell would have shafted Wakefield and their SL status quicker than you can say "Masonwillbehereattheendof January" for a bigger slice of SL cash. Trying to make some moral capital for Rovers out of this given his stance is staggering hypocrisy.'"
Hasn't RBA already stated that this isn't a trolling or points scoring thread. For once leave your hatred of Hull KR aside FFS.
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| Never really liked Wakefield tbh ever since they got promoted in what I knew should have been "our year".
But this is a horrible process to sit back and watch, I cannot imagine the way the fans must be feeling watching their club unravelled in a matter of weeks.
As long as clubs are paying fair prices for these players and not waxing fat on Wakefield's plight by paying way under the odds I think it may help them in the long run. What it means in the short term, however, is anybody's guess!
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| Quote ="Easty"What happens now. Their buyer could pull out due to the playing staff being raped. If the buyers do pull out then the administrators have alot to answer for.'"
These were exactly my thoughts as the events have unfolded. Very worrying situation and the RFL should step in to protect and ensure the immediate sale of the club.
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| Quote ="rednwhite"what Huddersfield have done its underhand and unethical it really annoys me how disrespectful and arrogant motives they have shown Wakefield. i acknowledge there is rivalries between the two. but rl is a family and pooing on their doorstep is unacceptable while on they have put themselves on a high horse and strutting.'"
Nothing underhand or unethical at all. In the absence of someone stumping up the cash and buying wakey the administrators have made it known that players are available and Hull / Huddersfield / Catalans have made signings and other clubs are looking at other wakey players.
The idiotic rumour that ken davy is scheming to sign wakey U18s is laughable. That anyone would believe it is funnier still.
I think that not paying creditors for their services /products is 'underhand' and puts jobs at risk. Also failing to pay £300K+ tax at a time when cuts are being made in public services is appalling. Thankfully the administrator is trying pay a proportion of these debts.
It is also underhand when a club fails to honour player contracts....remind me which club poo'd on its own players in such a way
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| Quote ="Easty"Hasn't RBA already stated that this isn't a trolling or points scoring thread. For once leave your hatred of Hull KR aside FFS.'"
You saw fit, and been allowed, to use inappropriately emotive language, accusing Huddersfield and Hull of "raping" a club in trouble. If you are going to take such an accusatory and self-righteous stance about putting clubs in a precarious position in further danger, my point is a valid right of reply.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Nothing underhand or unethical at all. In the absence of someone stumping up the cash and buying wakey the administrators have made it known that players are available and Hull / Huddersfield / Catalans have made signings and other clubs are looking at other wakey players.
The idiotic rumour that ken davy is scheming to sign wakey U18s is laughable. That anyone would believe it is funnier still.
I think that not paying creditors for their services /products is 'underhand' and puts jobs at risk. Also failing to pay £300K+ tax at a time when cuts are being made in public services is appalling. Thankfully the administrator is trying pay a proportion of these debts.
It is also underhand when a club fails to honour player contracts....remind me which club poo'd on its own players in such a way
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But the question remains why are we being forced to sell everything to pay some of these debts when the same administrator allowed Crusaders to write off every penny of their debts except the £700k they owed the RFL.
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| How do you know they wrote off all their debts and did not come to some arrangement with creditors? Perhaps they used some of the money they owe the RFL to pay the creditors a percentage. And before you say well the RFL would not lend us any money, well it was a secured loan on their ground, and due to the bad management and the chasing of the SL dream your club do not own a ground to use as security. Also perhaps their creditors took the view that as they(moss and co) inherited the debts and tried to keep the company going for a year without thus trying to meet the creditors needs, that they would be more lenient with them. Even so the debts were not theirs moss and co tried to keep the company going. Two completely different situations
When will people learn that SL is a franchise system now, and the RFL and the Clubs to some extent will chose the clubs they want in the league and at the moment the expansion clubs will get preferential treatment, the fact is they are not even in the picture as to who would lose their license and never were.
It may seem unfair to Joe public, but the fact is that these are the rules of the competition now, no point bitching about Crusaders. And what is more they have arguably achieved more than you in many other areas of their franchise anyway, for a club in its infancy to get the crowds they do is encouraging, they have brought a good few welsh players through to first team already, they are taking our game to a new audience, improving on the pitch, and so on and so on.
What real growth have Wakefield made in the 12 or so years they have been in super league?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I'm lost a bit bud, do you mean their signing of Ferguson or their interest in the young lads?'" both really sheldon but the young lads crossed the line for me its asset stripping as for mrs b i wont lower myself full stop. i hope wakefield can rebuild their side in time and their club.
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| If anything was certain to undermine or expose the myth of the rugby league family, it was franchising.
I feel for Wakefield as they look poised for the most prolonged and inevitable relegation ever. They were unlucky that Pickles didn't rubber stamp their stadium and now O'Hara's have decided that the best thing for Wakey's creditors is partial liquidisation (they may well be correct of course - they're the professionals).
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You saw fit, and been allowed, to use inappropriately emotive language, accusing Huddersfield and Hull of "raping" a club in trouble. If you are going to take such an accusatory and self-righteous stance about putting clubs in a precarious position in further danger, my point is a valid right of reply.'"
Then argue the point - rebut the accusation of rape (which was clearly metaphorical, btw). Dragging in overseas players and Willie Mason's non-arrival turns it into diversionary trolling. And we've talked about that.
The AUP is to a certain degree open to interpretation. Your's is an opinion, on here RBA's is the rule.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Along with most fans i would imagine, i have been watching with interest the apparent fire sale going on at Wakefield over the past couple of days. It is a pretty sad situation and it doesnt sit well with me watching clubs taking advantage of the situation and almost certainly signing players off them on the cheap.
I would like to see Rovers buck the trend and offer some of our fringe players to them on loan in order to plug the gaps by the departures. It wouldnt be a totally selfless act because we would see players like Cook etc get valuable game time at Super League level so that they are up to speed when we need them.
Thoughts?'"
get off your moral high horse particularly when you were talking to Aaron Murphy
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"get off your moral high horse particularly when you were talking to Aaron Murphy
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Why would Rovers be talking to Aaron Murphy??
Think you may have mistaken Rovers for Hull.
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| Quote ="rednwhite"both really sheldon but the young lads crossed the line for me its asset stripping as for mrs b i wont lower myself full stop. i hope wakefield can rebuild their side in time and their club.
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One wakey poster alleges this and you go off on one Try a bit of research before you draw conclusions and you will not make such an ass of yourself.
In the the pre season friendlies we played our young lads against the wakey first team at Belle Vue and beat them 16- 24 - and the margin should have been bigger. Our young lads are better than their first team never mind their youngsters
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| Quote ="Sheldon"It's a strange one regarding Hudds, I presume you mean because of their intrest in wakeys youngsters, if wakey are destined for nl1 then hudds paying a fee for their youth may help them in the short term rather than them losing them for free at the end of the season.'"
It ain't gonna help Wakefield short term long term or any term.
Any money is paid to the administrators who use it to pay creditors.
But one could argue the creditors deserve any money they can get.
Makes you wonder how solid this takeover at Wakefield really is.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"get off your moral high horse particularly when you were talking to Aaron Murphy
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It's a tough one this, I can see both sides. Short term this looks awful for Wakey fans but is there anyone who seriously thinks they haven't already gone? The RFL have already stated that one Championship club is going to be given a licence and although I don't think they've categorically stated that someone will definitely go can anyone seriously see Wakey in SL next season?
The administrators only have a responsibility to the creditors but perhaps the Spirit Of 1873 Group are already thinking about how the club will have to be restructured? This season is already a write off for Wakey, it was before this due to Ted Richardson you only have to look at their lack of recruitment to see this, Kear obviously could, he tried to get himself off to Catalans.
I can't seriously see Huddersfield being in for Wakey's academy, they've got a pretty decent one of their own, but again, are Wakey really going to have the funds, short term to actually run one, we certainly never had. If so, then these lads will have to go to other clubs or be lost to the sport.
The whole situation does leave a bad taste but imho, I would suggest it's not quite as black and white as it can first appear.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"One wakey poster alleges this and you go off on one
Try a bit of research before you draw conclusions and you will not make such an ass of yourself.
In the the pre season friendlies we played our young lads against the wakey first team at Belle Vue and beat them 16- 24 - and the margin should have been bigger. Our young lads are better than their first team never mind their youngsters
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maybe your right i could have research it better but do you feel getting on your high horse and strutting about is helping you win friends. no and dont you call me a ass.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"get off your moral high horse particularly when you were talking to Aaron Murphy
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I always find these types of comments funny, like RBA is jm or nh.
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| Quote ="rednwhite" no and dont you call me a ass.'"
Is it okay to call you a mule?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I always find these types of comments funny, like RBA is jm or nh.'"
Are trying to say that being a fan of a club [idoes not[/i make one personally responsible for all actions of said club?
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| Quote ="pmh"Are trying to say that being a fan of a club [idoes not[/i make one personally responsible for all actions of said club?'"
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| Quote ="rednwhite"maybe your right i could have research it better but do you feel getting on your high horse and strutting about is helping you win friends. no and dont you call me a ass.'"
We agree you should research rather than swallow the fictions of ignorant wakey posters. That way you do not make asinine statements.
If you think that pointing out facts about my club or wakey is getting on a'high horse' so be it. You seem more comfortable with rumours.
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You know exactly how the term raped was meant. It was meant in the term of asset striping. If you want to take into my post more then their ever was then go for it. Your post was a deliberate attempt to drag this thread off it's intention and on to talk about Rovers. You do it all the time and after constant short term bans always weam your way back. You act okay for 2 days and then return to your usual drivel.
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| Hope Wakey can get through this. I know that this may be irrelevant but have they had/getting a points deduction like Crusaders? If so, this would not help as getting a playoff position would help them financially.
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