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| Quote ="rover49"Seems a lot of money for a pitch
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Found this article from the picture payment kerfuffle at the KC. The £1.5m seems to be for all maintenance at the KC, including the pitch, if i read it correctly.
[url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/KC-Stadium-row-Council-s-neglect-blame-Hull-FC/story-18144180-detail/story.html#axzz2PTPL1uI5Article[/url
Quote ="Easty"I'd be dissapointed if I was a Hull fan and this was true. What do the club pay to the SMC every year if stuff like this is self financing when it comes around?'"
Quote ="Legends and Icons"Thats my thoughts on it too , why pay a lease agreement and then have to pay for upkeep to be done , you wouldnt pay rent on a house and then have to Pay for a new boiler would you ? Unless of course its in the lease agreement (and therein lies the question)'"
Maybe this is what they mean about the 300k although no mention of this in the article..
"The SMC made a net loss of £409,000 in 2011-12, including a £208,000 net loss on rugby-related costs."
"This means that the SMC is no longer able to offer its tenants additional benefits which fall outside their existing tenancy or commercial agreements on a 'free of charge' basis"
Was/is the pay for pic just the tip of the iceberg?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Being honest I think the Bradford situation has had an effect as well.
The impression I am getting is 'Why should I fund HKR so they are solvent and safe when others can mismanage and instead of the rules being followed they will be twisted when it suits''"
I cant understand that logic. If they stop funding HKR and they do go bust, they lose control of it. If the RFL bend the rules or whatever to keep HKR in like they did Bradford, then what?
Bradford weren’t rescued by the RFL, however much you think the RFL did for them. Bradford were saved by Omar Khan. If Hudgell and Crossland decide they don’t want to fund them anymore, and they pull out and HKR follow the same path, then even if the RFL help them in the same way, they need to find an Omar Khan to come in and fund them on-going. Which is pretty much exactly where they are now. Either Hudgell and Crossland fund them or a new person does. Whatever the rules are regarding any gap between those two points, long term someone needs to be funding them.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I cant understand that logic. If they stop funding HKR and they do go bust, they lose control of it. If the RFL bend the rules or whatever to keep HKR in like they did Bradford, then what?
Bradford weren’t rescued by the RFL, however much you think the RFL did for them. Bradford were saved by Omar Khan. If Hudgell and Crossland decide they don’t want to fund them anymore, and they pull out and HKR follow the same path, then even if the RFL help them in the same way, they need to find an Omar Khan to come in and fund them on-going. Which is pretty much exactly where they are now. Either Hudgell and Crossland fund them or a new person does. Whatever the rules are regarding any gap between those two points, long term someone needs to be funding them.'" No they bought the lease on Odsal for the good of their health obviously.
They lent them stacks of cash before that for the very same reason as well it seems.
If you also want to pretend they didn't twist (Notice I didn't say break) the rules as well feel free.
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| I feel a lot more positive after what neil hudgell said on radio and I do believe he find a new backer to take the club forward. what matters most is our club not anyone elses. I do give a monkeys what mrs b and her cronies say. i see it as a new chapter in our history and moving forward
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
Bradford weren’t rescued...'"
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"No they bought the lease on Odsal for the good of their health obviously.
They lent them stacks of cash before that for the very same reason as well it seems.
If you also want to pretend they didn't twist (Notice I didn't say break) the rules as well feel free.'"
Im not really arguing the rule breaking, whether they did or didn’t isn’t relevant to the point im trying to make. Whatever the details of Bradfords help, or whatever the rights and wrongs of it, they aren’t really relevant either.
What I am saying is that the help the RFL gave Bradford isn’t going to change HKR’s situation. Right Now HKR are making a loss and Hudgell and Crossland are funding that right now but are looking for someone else to do so. If HKR take out a loan from the RFL and sell their lease and pay a market rent to the RFL then whats going to change? HKR will still be operating at a loss and still needing someone to fund that loss. They will just owe the RFL a couple of million on top of that. If they go bust, even if the RFL bend over backwards to keep them in, even if they go above and beyond what they did for Bradford. HKR will still be a club, operating at a loss, looking for someone new to fund it.
It is a structural problem in HKRs business model. It’s the most obvious and sadly common one, they don’t have the fanbase to compete at the level they currently are. It is a long term job to change that, requiring long term investment and that isn’t going to be rectified by short-term RFL help
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| Quote ="hull2524"just a small point ginge, but where not all scum, hopefully you guys get it sorted, we need 2 hull teams in sl , long live the derbies'"
No ur not all scum but there is some pretty bad trolls that come on here and what really gets my back up is if our fans go on the FC forum they get slagged of sumet chronic, wish the trolls wud just stay of here tbh
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| Quote ="gingerspice"No ur not all scum but there is some pretty bad trolls that come on here and what really gets my back up is if our fans go on the FC forum they get slagged of sumet chronic, wish the trolls wud just stay of here tbh'"
They seem to get away with it on here, you try it on the FC site and not towing the party line will get you a ban, one reason I rarely venture onto it these days.
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| Quote ="rover49"They seem to get away with it on here, you try it on the FC site and not towing the party line will get you a ban, one reason I rarely venture onto it these days.'"
Yer exactly I can't be bothered to go on there's as I'm not a troll I really am not concerned if they're coach stays or goes, whether Pearson leaves or what it just shows really how sum people on here really do need to get a life
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| Quote ="Easty"Don't agree fully with your quote as Rovers lease Craven Park and we've happily built infastructure etc. Craven Park is much different though I guess in that we keep everything we make at Craven Park where at the KC The SMC take a percentage of everything. That is where I think it's rude for Hull FC to have to contribute.'"
When the Allams were in mid rant regarding Whitleygate they specifically brought up the cost of the pitch replacement as one of the expenses they had to cover without contribution from either tennant. So either your information is wrong or they were lying.
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| Quote ="rover49"They seem to get away with it on here, you try it on the FC site and not towing the party line will get you a ban, one reason I rarely venture onto it these days.'"
Kush is the worst. He goes into a sulk if there is any negativity towards Hull FC, calls people idiots and then starts dishing out bans.
How he got a position as a MOD wth that attitude is beyond me. ![CRAZY d040.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//d040.gif)
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| Quote This is the time when you find out what the RFL are really like. Like we all know if it was Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Warrington they would be straight out there helping out no problem.'"
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Hey don't blame Leeds we did go virtually bust at the start of Superleague and got zero help from the RFL.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"No ur not all scum but there is some pretty bad trolls that come on here and what really gets my back up is if our fans go on the FC forum they get slagged of sumet chronic, wish the trolls wud just stay of here tbh'"
However annoying they are, surely they're not as annoying as poster who use text speak
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"However annoying they are, surely they're not as annoying as poster who use text speak'"
Hardly trolling tho is it jake
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"Kush is the worst. He goes into a sulk if there is any negativity towards Hull FC, calls people idiots and then starts dishing out bans.
How he got a position as a MOD wth that attitude is beyond me.
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Do you ever get shot down in a blaze of glory when you go on the FC forum ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| I noticed that there was a small piece in yesterdays sun newspaper regarding three potential new investors showing an interest in Hull Kr.
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| Quote ="Seventies red"I noticed that there was a small piece in yesterdays sun newspaper regarding three potential new investors showing an interest in Hull Kr.'"
That's wat hudge has said to so here's hoping ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Do you ever get shot down in a blaze of glory when you go on the FC forum
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Are u John Bon jovi in disguise ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Are u John Bon jovi in disguise
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"No'"
Aw shame he was shot down in a blaze of glory
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"My red and white in-laws heard today the Allams are still in the picture investment wise. What better white charger for a sporting philanthropist to ride in on than the very publicly-declared risk of the loss of a long-serving chairman and fan?'"
Could be enough to seal the knighthood.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Could be enough to seal the knighthood.'"
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"No he didn't...
Referring to Wigan, the part you allude to...
....They have a fantastic infrastructure, they probably have more support staff and backroom staff than they have players. They have conditioners, sports scientists, that earn more than THE head coach and 4 or 5 internationals as assistant coaches...
No, no mention of CS there.
Very poor to make things up, not classy from TF.'"
There you go IDIOT - check your non classy facts first
"There's been a feeling and realisation over the last couple of years that we were starting to hit a bit of a glass ceiling.
"If you compare ourselves with the really top clubs, there's a gulf in facilities and resources and fan base.
"If there was one real positive from last Monday it's realising that, in some respects, we're light years behind Wigan.
"They have conditioners, sport scientists and have four or five ex-internationals as assistant coaches who earn more money than OUR head coach."
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| Quote ="SirStan"Thanks Frankie, saved me the time of posting it. Not once did Neil mention Sandercock's pay. However, this ins't a surprise that Tarquin Fuego mentions something that wasn't actually true, he's got lots of form for being a blatant liar.'"
"There's been a feeling and realisation over the last couple of years that we were starting to hit a bit of a glass ceiling.
"If you compare ourselves with the really top clubs, there's a gulf in facilities and resources and fan base.
"If there was one real positive from last Monday it's realising that, in some respects, we're light years behind Wigan.
"They have conditioners, sport scientists and have four or five ex-internationals as assistant coaches who earn more money than OUR head coach."
Read the last line and that is what I was clearly referring to ! OUR being CS , read it online at BBC Rugby League , not hard to read it right and I am afraid Grafton Red doctored his account to fit his non classy argument ![SUBMISSION c020.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//c020.gif)
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