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Defining a lot may be challenging as you are correct to state, however I don't think its a jump to conclude a quite high percentage of people struggling with issues do turn to substances.
Whether that be alcohol, cocaine or worse it doesn't really matter - substance relief is very prevalent. Doesn't make it right, and as a professional sports person he needs to make better decisions.
What Minns is saying may be completely true, maybe a one off, however he still had that decision to make and made the wrong one and should pay the consequences. I do hope the club/RFL support him even outside of his contract and I think they have a moral contribution to do so.
Just feels a shame as he seems a decent, genuine lad. Wouldn't fit into the same mould as a chase/walker/hock who all have questionable traits as people. But he deserves to be dealt with exactly the same.
Good job vaivai's debut was so promising then, takes some of the heat off!
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If what I'm hearing is true Minns won't be the last player from our club getting a ban I'm not naming names but Oakes or Moss may be getting some game time soon
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He snort to have known better.
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| Quote ="robin4ever"I Lost my brother and dad in a relatively short space of time, i got depressed and am still taking Prozac, we have to realize we are all human and deal with things in very different ways, Thomas made the wrong decision, but he dosn't need to be hung, drawn and quartered - He has my sympathy, and he will pay the price for his indiscretion, as will the club on the field.'"
Without going in to details I have issues the same as you. The problem is that when something like this happens some people play the mental health card as convenient excuse which leads to scepticism and I can fully understand that. If Minns's excuse is genuine and there's nothing to say it isn't he'll need all the help he can get from the club and RL state of mind. |
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"If what I'm hearing is true Minns won't be the last player from our club getting a ban I'm not naming names but Oakes or Moss may be getting some game time soon'"
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Without going in to details I have issues the same as you. The problem is that when something like this happens some people play the mental health card as convenient excuse which leads to scepticism and I can fully understand that. If Minns's excuse is genuine and there's nothing to say it isn't he'll need all the help he can get from the club and RL state of mind.'"
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Recently lost a parent myself and although i never resorted to doing anything stupid i must sympathise with minns , i know how he must have felt .Instead of slating the kid the family that is rugby league or so we are told should get its act together and support these lads . Agree he deserves some kind of punishment but to take his living away is tough , any other walk of life ie TV star drunk driving and people fall over themselves to offer sympathy .Hope he gets his life back on track and receives the care and support he needs including the rugby league world and social media!
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Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Define "a lot"'"
I left it vague deliberately, as I can't know.
Here are the results of a 2014 survey:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... t-addicted
69% of respondents said they had used illegal drugs and 21% of those (14.5% of the total sample) still did. If that applied across the UK, that'd be several million people using illegal drugs at least occasionally.
The 2015/16 Home Office estimate is lower at 8.4% of people aged 16-59 had using an illegal drug in the previous year (approx. 2.7 million), down from 10.5% a decade earlier.
www.drugwise.org.uk/how-many-people-use-drugs/
By those standards, that we've 'only' seen Chase, Walker, Hardaker and Minns banned from ~350 SL players in the last year weirdly doesn't look too back. Especially, as I'd assumed use is higher among young men in their 20s and early 30s than people in their 50s.
How many of those are doing it wholly or in part because of emotional issues or stress, I can only guess at.
Anyway, retrospectively, that's how I'll define 'a lot'.
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"I cannot agree with you on this. You'd only know that if you had arrest records or were personally told may "a lot" of people.'"
I'm not sure arrest records for use would be a very good guide. In a single year The NCA seized 69.8 tonnes of cocaine, 4.5 tonnes of heroin, and 123.1 tonnes of cannabis. A tonne is a million grams - that's a gram of coke each for every man, woman and child in the UK, give or take. Presumably a lot more gets through to the market. Even if the surveys aren't completely accurate, I can't see only 'a few' people's noses, lungs and veins being able to support that level of criminal trade. |
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Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Define "a lot"'"
I left it vague deliberately, as I can't know.
Here are the results of a 2014 survey:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... t-addicted
69% of respondents said they had used illegal drugs and 21% of those (14.5% of the total sample) still did. If that applied across the UK, that'd be several million people using illegal drugs at least occasionally.
The 2015/16 Home Office estimate is lower at 8.4% of people aged 16-59 had using an illegal drug in the previous year (approx. 2.7 million), down from 10.5% a decade earlier.
www.drugwise.org.uk/how-many-people-use-drugs/
By those standards, that we've 'only' seen Chase, Walker, Hardaker and Minns banned from ~350 SL players in the last year weirdly doesn't look too back. Especially, as I'd assumed use is higher among young men in their 20s and early 30s than people in their 50s.
How many of those are doing it wholly or in part because of emotional issues or stress, I can only guess at.
Anyway, retrospectively, that's how I'll define 'a lot'.
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"I cannot agree with you on this. You'd only know that if you had arrest records or were personally told may "a lot" of people.'"
I'm not sure arrest records for use would be a very good guide. In a single year The NCA seized 69.8 tonnes of cocaine, 4.5 tonnes of heroin, and 123.1 tonnes of cannabis. A tonne is a million grams - that's a gram of coke each for every man, woman and child in the UK, give or take. Presumably a lot more gets through to the market. Even if the surveys aren't completely accurate, I can't see only 'a few' people's noses, lungs and veins being able to support that level of criminal trade. | |
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"If what I'm hearing is true Minns won't be the last player from our club getting a ban I'm not naming names but Oakes or Moss may be getting some game time soon'"
The only thing I can say about minns is goodbye we and rugby league do not need or want you or anybody else that take drugs of any sort |
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Maybe he has got some off field issues, who knows, but when are these players going to realise that its a short career and not a well paid one when you compare to some sports, rugby is all a lot of these lads know so it amazes me how there prepared to throw it all away so easily.
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| Quote ="billysbestmate"Recently lost a parent myself and although i never resorted to doing anything stupid i must sympathise with minns , i know how he must have felt .Instead of slating the kid the family that is rugby league or so we are told should get its act together and support these lads . Agree he deserves some kind of punishment but to take his living away is tough , any other walk of life ie TV star drunk driving and people fall over themselves to offer sympathy .Hope he gets his life back on track and receives the care and support he needs including the rugby league world and social media!'" you are always doing something stupid like posting on here another duller with a split personality  |
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| Quote ="billysbestmate"I posted on this particular thread with no intention of baiting anyone you complete booty , as i said he needs support after loosing a parent not being rinsed out to dry on here or any other forum .'" just not used to any sense from you, your previous 59 posts are just silly billy garbage, so do you expect anybody to respect your views on here I think not |
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I have sympathy that he's struggling after losing his mum but not that he's sought solace in the arms of a class a drug. He's been an idiot and should get an appropriate ban. I do hope that rovers and the rfl put some kind of support package in place for him though
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| Quote ="billysbestmate"I posted on this particular thread with no intention of baiting anyone you complete booty , as i said he needs support after loosing a parent not being rinsed out to dry on here or any other forum .'"
He's an idiot and he's let a lot of people down I personally don't buy I'm upset about my mother that's why I did it we've all lost someone but we don't turn to class A drugs especially when the consequences for him would be a lot higher if he's down go to doctors and get some medication |
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"He's an idiot and he's let a lot of people down I personally don't buy I'm upset about my mother that's why I did it we've all lost someone but we don't turn to class A drugs especially when the consequences for him would be a lot higher if he's down go to doctors and get some medication'"
Agreed Frankie. I’m also pretty sure that he didn’t decide to develop a coke habit on Mother’s Day. The idiot has been on it for a while I’d wager. |
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When did we lose the ability to sort our own problems out without the need of countless individuals putting an arm around our shoulders.
This society these days makes me despair. Everyone’s turning into Fannys.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"He's an idiot and he's let a lot of people down I personally don't buy I'm upset about my mother that's why I did it we've all lost someone but we don't turn to class A drugs especially when the consequences for him would be a lot higher if he's down go to doctors and get some medication'"
If he was genuinely depressed and suffering from mental health issues he would have had better resources that most people suffering with the same issues don’t have access to . Minns is a SL player he would have faster access to a higher standard of mental health support to that of a NHS patient . |
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This society these days makes me despair. Everyone’s turning into Fannys.'"
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| Quote ="SirStan"George Whitebread is that you?'"
Sorry Stan, I’ve no idea who that is. |
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"Sorry Stan, I’ve no idea who that is.'"
He's the Yorkshireman off Harry Enfield I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say |
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"Sorry Stan, I’ve no idea who that is.'"
You Tube is your friend. Check out the doctor sketch with patients suffering from a variety of anxiety-related issues.
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The other side to this is should sniff still be class A? I watched fc v Leeds tonight in a West hull hostelry 3 fc fans blatantly on the gear.Staff knew everyone in pub knew but was ignored. Iv never tried it.i have no desire to try it but think fair few people don't realise how big a part of social life a line is now?Particularly surprised people from a godforsaken hell hole like Withernsea try to take moral high ground
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So he feels depressed over the death of his Mum ..yes been there for Mum and Dad and yes it really hurts and for me like many it takes some getting over. So on Mothers day he decides to take cocaine . Why if he has not taken it before would he suddenly decide he needed to do this, Where and how did he know where to get it from? if he has not done it before did hot walk the streets asking people how he can get it? come on get real he and the club are in damage limitation mode and sadly using his mums death as an excuse for that alone he deserves all he gets
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