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| Quote ="Roverswall"A simple yes or no will do.'"
OK here is my rational behind the poor sales.
In 2008 we were 2nd bottom and sold out the south stand the week after Wembley when most realistic Hull fans expected a slump following a tough week physically and mentally at Wembley. We still sold out. The game was not televised.
This year our form is poor, the game is on a Saturday evening in holiday season. Many will choose BBQ, Beer and best seat in the house...sky sports.
As a club we are the only fans to pay 17 pound to stand in a disgrace of a stand. 17 QUID!!!!!
Poor form does have an effect on attendances for sure but there is far more to this then Hull FCs current form.
Finally from a personal point of view I am going tomorrow but not in the south stand and this is my first super league derby at craven park having previously watched derbies from all parts of the ground. I just refuse to watch a game from the south stand again. Simples
So no I do not think the south stand would have sold out if we were 2nd place.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"OK here is my rational behind the poor sales.
In 2008 we were 2nd bottom and sold out the south stand the week after Wembley when most realistic Hull fans expected a slump following a tough week physically and mentally at Wembley. We still sold out. The game was not televised.
This year our form is poor, the game is on a Saturday evening in holiday season. Many will choose BBQ, Beer and best seat in the house...sky sports.
As a club we are the only fans to pay 17 pound to stand in a disgrace of a stand. 17 QUID!!!!!
Poor form does have an effect on attendances for sure but there is far more to this then Hull FCs current form.
Finally from a personal point of view I am going tomorrow but not in the south stand and this is my first super league derby at craven park having previously watched derbies from all parts of the ground. I just refuse to watch a game from the south stand again. Simples
So no I do not think the south stand would have sold out if we were 2nd place.'" Was that so hard to say?
And I dont belive you as you are or crybaby's
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| Quote ="Reenyrobin"1) why would you be confused about the continued debate, it hasn't sold out, so therefore is being talked about. With regards to Rovers saying it was "certain to be a sell out," why wouldn't they presume it would be? Every other has been, so you would have thought it was a fairly safe bet. But then again, you have just used it to have a pathetic dig.'"
I don't understand why would Rovers say something is a certainty in 4 separate website articles when it clearly wasn't? If they'd spoken to the KC ticket office at any point since our allocation went on sale it would have been more than obvious that we weren't going to shift them all.
Quote ="Reenyrobin"2)Why would we have to save face? It's your lot not making up the numbers, so I would say, it's out of Rovers' control.'"
Rovers said the match was a sure sellout. They will therefore look silly if it isn't. We, on the other hand, were offered some overpriced tickets and many people have politely declined that offer.
The fact that it might not sell out may be a reflection on Hudgell's somewhat disingenuous pricing policy, which is very much under his control, I'd say. I assume you have sold all your tickets then?
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| For my two pence worth as a Rovers fan, I wont be attending as I am at work. I would have been had sky not changed the day, as it was not enough notice for me to book time off. I suspect a lot from both sides of the city would have been afected. As for the south stand I would not watch from there even if it was free, I posted after last years game & the awfull weather that the FC fans had to put up with that We as a club had missed a trick by not giving the tickets to FC & just charging admin & stewarding costs for that end. Ok we would not have made any cash but just think of the qudos we would have earned & they would have nothing to moan about. As for the north stand Why do we charge more to sit behind the posts? I have never understood that. If I could not get tickets for the side I would not bother, thats why I buy tickets fromm the KC for the derby as I dont want to be behind the posts. It is also the reason I only go to away grounds if I can get tickets for a decent view on the side.
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| Rovers average attendance is on course to improve on last year when there was 2 home derby games so i dont see how our attendances this season can be knocked.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I don't understand why would Rovers say something is a certainty in 4 separate website articles when it clearly wasn't? If they'd spoken to the KC ticket office at any point since our allocation went on sale it would have been more than obvious that we weren't going to shift them all.
Are KC ticket office talking to Rovers ?
Presume they are following the lead of the club and refusing to talk to anyone
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Rovers average attendance is on course to improve on last year when there was 2 home derby games so i dont see how our attendances this season can be knocked.'"
And 2 games vs Harlequins
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And 2 games vs Harlequins
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And they brought more "fans" than it looks like you lot are bringing tomorrow...
Shame on you...
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| The bit I dont get about this "we're not going cos it's a crap view" business is that tomorrow will be the 4th SL derby at Craven Park.
Surely the time for the dummy spit should have been after the 1st SL derby when they found out what the view was like???......oh hang on...yes I forgot...they won that one didn't they
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| If it was fickle Hull fans making excuses about the Ground then explain why 2000+ went to Cas?
Was it because the price was fair and noit increased just for them?
Was it because they could see the pitch?
Or was it because they are not frightened of losing to Cas like they are Rovers?
Giver your heads a bang, KR are a disgrace charging £17 for that area, it aint even a stand. It should be free to anyone daft enough to stand there.
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"If it was fickle Hull fans making excuses about the Ground then explain why 2000+ went to Cas?
Was it because the price was fair and noit increased just for them?
Was it because they could see the pitch?
Or was it because they are not frightened of losing to Cas like they are Rovers?
Giver your heads a bang, KR are a disgrace charging £17 for that area, it aint even a stand. It should be free to anyone daft enough to stand there.
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I bet if Hull win, more than 2000 Hull fans will claim to have been there
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And 2 games vs Harlequins
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Replaced by the mass support of Celtic and Salford
For somebody who supposedly deals in facts which part of that bothers you.
Rovers average by the end of the season will have gone up on 2008.
That should be congratulated.
Our average is better then Hudds who practically gave their season tickets away and not far behind Warrington who play in a shiny newish stadium.
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| When I think of all the truly terrible grounds I've endured to support HKR over the years it makes me pity HFC. Fancy not having enough true loyal fan that are willing to get behind you in your greatest hour of need that you can't even sell 1500 tickets. Truly sad!
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Replaced by the mass support of Celtic and Salford
For somebody who supposedly deals in facts which part of that bothers you.
Rovers average by the end of the season will have gone up on 2008.
That should be congratulated.
Our average is better then Hudds who practically gave their season tickets away and not far behind Warrington who play in a shiny newish stadium.'"
I've never said Rovers crowd increases are less than impressive, but come on, for a club with planning to invest in a financially viable capacity of 14,000 for the 2010 season and that was in 2nd for a long stretch of the season, why would you expect anything other than an increase? Have a big pat on the back for like for like crowd growth of 2.5%
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"If it was fickle Hull fans making excuses about the Ground then explain why 2000+ went to Cas?
Was it because the price was fair and noit increased just for them?
Was it because they could see the pitch?
Or was it because they are not frightened of losing to Cas like they are Rovers?
As the price and the stand position are similar to our first two seasons in Super League i'd guess your third choice is the hot favourite.
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| Quote ="Beverley red"For my two pence worth as a Rovers fan, I wont be attending as I am at work. I would have been had sky not changed the day, as it was not enough notice for me to book time off. I suspect a lot from both sides of the city would have been afected. As for the south stand I would not watch from there even if it was free, I posted after last years game & the awfull weather that the FC fans had to put up with that We as a club had missed a trick by not giving the tickets to FC & just charging admin & stewarding costs for that end. Ok we would not have made any cash but just think of the qudos we would have earned & they would have nothing to moan about. As for the north stand Why do we charge more to sit behind the posts? I have never understood that. If I could not get tickets for the side I would not bother, thats why I buy tickets fromm the KC for the derby as I dont want to be behind the posts. It is also the reason I only go to away grounds if I can get tickets for a decent view on the side.'"
Just a quick one BR- have you ever been to wigan, as we sit behind the sticks at there place?
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| IMHO I think it's terrible that we charge hull fans so much for south terrace tickets. Until we can replace it (and for me that day can't come soon enough), that stand should be open every game and be no more than a fiver no matter who we're playing.
I also think the north stand tickets should be cheaper. The club should make that end £12 and try and fill it every week. Surely it makes sense to have twice as many people there without even halving the ticket price?
I don't buy all this 'we pay the same to go to whoever and stand in the rain' justification. There is no stand in superleague anywhere near as bad as our south end, and I wouldn't blame any fan for not wanting to go there, especially at the price we charge hull. We can twist it how we like, but it does nothing but leave us open to criticism (and out of pocket by the looks of things).
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I've never said Rovers crowd increases are less than impressive, but come on, for a club with planning to invest in a financially viable capacity of 14,000 for the 2010 season and that was in 2nd for a long stretch of the season, why would you expect anything other than an increase? Have a big pat on the back for like for like crowd growth of 2.5%
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Bit like your club finishing 2nd in 2006. This feat managed to attract a massive increase of 2.5%. Well done, those were the days eh?
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| Your post soon dissappeared Matty!
Possibly because you read it back and realised it defeated your argument?
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| Quote ="reddan"IMHO I think it's terrible that we charge hull fans so much for south terrace tickets. Until we can replace it (and for me that day can't come soon enough), that stand should be open every game and be no more than a fiver no matter who we're playing.
I also think the north stand tickets should be cheaper. The club should make that end £12 and try and fill it every week. Surely it makes sense to have twice as many people there without even halving the ticket price?
I don't buy all this 'we pay the same to go to whoever and stand in the rain' justification. There is no stand in superleague anywhere near as bad as our south end, and I wouldn't blame any fan for not wanting to go there, especially at the price we charge hull. We can twist it how we like, but it does nothing but leave us open to criticism (and out of pocket by the looks of things).'"
Most rational post I've seen on this subject yet!
I thought about going, but stood on the terrace when I was at craven park earlier this year for another game to see what the view was like and you are 20-30metres from the nearest deadball line. Thats 80m to halfway - at least at squared off grounds you can see halfway a little more comfortably. I decided that if I was on the southern terrace, I would end up having to watch what was going on via the big screen - so I had the choice of £20 + parking, petrol to watch it on a big telly in the ground.
So for that reason, its the big telly at home for me.
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"Most rational post I've seen on this subject yet!
I thought about going, but stood on the terrace when I was at craven park earlier this year for another game to see what the view was like and you are 20-30metres from the nearest deadball line. Thats 80m to halfway - at least at squared off grounds you can see halfway a little more comfortably. I decided that if I was on the southern terrace, I would end up having to watch what was going on via the big screen - so I had the choice of £20 + parking, petrol to watch it on a big telly in the ground.
So for that reason, its the big telly at home for me.'"
It really is that simple! No hidden agendas.
By now most Hull fans have experienced the delights of your South "Stand" once. They elect not to again.
That's why that "stand" used to be full of us and now it isn't. If you made the Golf stand the Away stand for us as it is for every other team, you'd see a normal Hull crowd. Fantastic business strategy from Hudge and Co. in these times of empty coffers.
Hope all the Club Rovers members are happy to be subsidising his blind hatred.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"It really is that simple! No hidden agendas.
By now most Hull fans have experienced the delights of your South "Stand" once. They elect not to again.
That's why that "stand" used to be full of us and now it isn't. If you made the Golf stand the Away stand for us as it is for every other team, you'd see a normal Hull crowd. Fantastic business strategy from Hudge and Co. in these times of empty coffers.
Hope all the Club Rovers members are happy to be subsidising his blind hatred.
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I understood the south stand was allocated for you as it holds more than the north - no digs here, that's genuinely why I thought you got the South Stand.
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