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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Morgan achieved what was asked in getting HKR up and keeping them up when the stakes couldn't have been much higher. We then consolidated and were competitive (if not quite competing). His achievements don't match Smith's - but tbf, is he often mentioned in the same breath on here? The comparison with Kear is fair enough and far from damning, IMO.
I'm not sure which goalposts you're using, but they must be slightly odd ones. Last I looked, Morgan's SL win ratio was slightly the better, even including 2007 when 10 wins represented success. 2008 (partly Sharp's fault, I know), 2009, 2010 Morgan did better in the competition (for clarity - as opposed to the league). If you mean just this season, then fair enough - but it has take me until now to consider this, so either I'm dull-witted or you're too vague.
Agar's doing okay. In the past he's faced significant adversity. Not sure I've seen the two together yet, but what doesn't kill you...
We're plop and in all honesty haven't had [ithat[/i much adversity either - and what there's been, I don't think is the underlying cause. Just lost our mojo a bit... a lot.
As a wise man once blogged: 'it’s invariably the bad times that make the good times so good'
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My comment is not a my dads bigger than yours....Agar reached a final C/Cup simple as that...at the end of the day the competition boils down to 2 pieces of silverware...I love John Kear, great bloke and good coach and as I have mentioned I will be jealous if you get him..I was slated on these boards last year for stating Morgs was overatted I honestly believe he is, however he will go down in folklore (and rightly so for where he has brought your club)...mind you my statement will probably bite me on the butt if he gets Wigan...though I reckon I could take Wigan and get the result
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Fair enough, can only comment from the outside. Just think it's essentially the same team of 2009, why aren't the players now behind Morgan?
You can't say that the Mason thing had nothing to do with it, look at the way they tried binning off Clinton!'" It's the same personel not the same team.
Fox has gone backward at an alarming rate of knots.
Murrell seems to be trying to win the fattest SL player award.
Vella looks broken.
Briscoe looks a shadow of his former self.
Webster seems to be working his way through the NHS catalogue of injury supports.
Netherton is Netherton.
Colbon looks to have no confidence.
All of those players were either brought to the club by JM or were given extensions by JM.
Infact apart from one player all the players in the squad are his players.
Who's job is it to instill confidence in his players?
Who's job is it to make sure a player sticks to his ideal weight?
Who's job is it to put defensive patterns in place that actually work?
Who's idea was it to not have a plan B when his plan A (High percentage, Low risk, Poor defence) either doesn't work or becomes outdated or gets figured out?
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| I'm fed up with hearing Justin should go, one bad season does not make him a bad coach, he can only work with what he has got and if you ask anyone of the Rovers players they will not want to lose they will still be trying hard to get the result us fans want.
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| I don't think that he should be sacked if we don't make the playoffs this year but if the team doesn't show any signs of going forward next year then the board should start considering getting a replacement.
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| Quote ="Red Red Robin"I don't think that he should be sacked if we don't make the playoffs this year but if the team doesn't show any signs of going forward next year then the board should start considering getting a replacement.'"
What happens if hkr can't attract the players to go forward?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Have you ever thought that maybe your chairmans actions regarding Mason and that whole [isituation[/i could have done something to morale? Don't be so quick to blame your coach.'" eh
eh? have you read my post??? what i said was the players are at fault not justin, I haven't stated sack him if the same thing happens next season then yes he should go. But every coach no matter how good they are has a bad season. what annoys is that everyone is quick to say get rid of the coach, not the players. Justin should start to look at changing squad and freshen things up and tactics, teams can read us easy and we are very predictable.
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| Quote ="zook ema"eh
eh? have you read my post??? what i said was the players are at fault not justin, I haven't stated sack him if the same thing happens next season then yes he should go. But every coach no matter how good they are has a bad season. what annoys is that everyone is quick to say get rid of the coach, not the players. Justin should start to look at changing squad and freshen things up and tactics, teams can read us easy and we are very predictable.'"
I am actually beginning to think the players don't want to play for Morgan I might be wrong and probably are wrong but that's feeling I get, why else we continue to play poor week In week out. I just hope they get it sorted for next season, what's happened to our back up play, our defence our fitness in fact what's happened to our team full stop.
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| Rovers will go nowhere all the time the tail wags the dog.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Rovers will go nowhere all the time the tail wags the dog.'"
I know I'm a bit thick but what does that mean
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| Quote ="gingerspice"I know I'm a bit thick but what does that mean'"
Glad you asked that..I do not understand, maybe a suggestion Hudge interferes ?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Glad you asked that..I do not understand, maybe a suggestion Hudge interferes ?'"
Sounds right tbf, esp because of the allegation that our chairman has signed several players rather than it been the coach.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Glad you asked that..I do not understand, maybe a suggestion Hudge interferes ?'" I actually took it to mean there is to much player say in team selections
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I actually took it to mean there is to much player say in team selections'"
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| Quote ="Roverswall"It's the same personel not the same team.
Fox has gone backward at an alarming rate of knots.
Murrell seems to be trying to win the fattest SL player award.
Vella looks broken.
Briscoe looks a shadow of his former self.
Webster seems to be working his way through the NHS catalogue of injury supports.
Netherton is Netherton.
Colbon looks to have no confidence.
All of those players were either brought to the club by JM or were given extensions by JM.
Infact apart from one player all the players in the squad are his players.
Who's job is it to instill confidence in his players?
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Who's job is it to put defensive patterns in place that actually work?
Who's idea was it to not have a plan B when his plan A (High percentage, Low risk, Poor defence) either doesn't work or becomes outdated or gets figured out?'"
well said roverswall I see nothing has changed if we don't beat the quins we are doomed it is one of the few games i can get to nowadays and i would like a win please but i cant see it still it will be a nice day with my grand kids win or loose come on rovers
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I actually took it to mean there is to much player say in team selections'"
Ah right I see that now.....First criteria for selection being an Australian I suppose
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Ah right I see that now.....First criteria for selection being an Australian I suppose
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| All we've known is slow, but continued 'progress' on and off the pitch and when the chips are down, it's obvious everyone's going to become more irrate. I'm not saying Morgan's becoming a victim of his own success but there's some massive factors this year which have to be taken into consideration which explains this downfall.
On the other hand, what about the 'fans' that have clearly shown over the years that beating Hull FC, and twice at that, is more than acceptable as a target and it doesn't matter where Rovers finish?! Are they still calling for Morgan's head?
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| To be fair, it's his first poor season at Rovers. Realistically, who are you going to get in that is a better coach?.
Rovers have been quite fortunate in that your main ball players have been injury free over the last two years.
Losing Dobson for 8 weeks was a turning point in your season I think. I'm surprised at the level of criticism Morgan's getting to be honest.
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