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| Quote ="deslawson"Would be happy to stick with webster,you dont think we have improved since he took over? Morgan would be a decent choice or somebody like newton or galea,powell if he was available
Still what do I know I said we should have got campese a coaching job at the club and signed somebody else in his place last year when he got crocked,and got plenty of stick for it.Go on tell me I was wrong,seeing he has done a cracking job for the yorkshire post,but unfortunately not for us,if I remember correctly you were one of the several who said I was wrong.Do you still think that ?'"
Unfortunately des, I didn't comment on your take on the campese situation. It's no good suggesting the likes of Powell for the coaches job. He's under contract and doing well so I doubt he's see us a step up. You might as well suggest Craig Bellemy if we're just throwing names out there. The truth of the matter is that there aren't many top coaches with experience (a prerequisite for the job as stated by our chairman) that we could realistically entice. If we have a chance of bringing a respected assistant coach from the nrl who was recently the coach of the national side to our club then we should be grateful he'll consider us. Granted, his time at Bradford didn't end well but it was his first coaching job in difficult circumstances. He will have undoubtably improved as a coach since then as would anyone in any job given 7 years more experience.
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| Quote ="deslawson"Assuming they were qualified lol.Have no idea whether they are,as I said would be happy to stay with webbo,or powell or morgan if they were available.Its a pity my credibility didn't rest on replacing campese,what did you think then and now ?'"
As my learned colleague has already pointed out, it's pure nostalgia to mention Newton, Galea, Webster & Morgan. How about giving Stan a shot? he's a club legend, clearly the only qualification required.
As for the Campese issue, given his contractual position, were you offering to pay him what he is rightly owed to remove him from the playing roster? Or is it the boards job to pee more of their own cash up the wall?
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| With Campese's contract. He should never of been put on the length of contract he received. A rolling yearly contract would of been more prudent.
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| Quote ="SirStan"As my learned colleague has already pointed out, it's pure nostalgia to mention Newton, Galea, Webster & Morgan. How about giving Stan a shot? he's a club legend, clearly the only qualification required.
As for the Campese issue, given his contractual position, were you offering to pay him what he is rightly owed to remove him from the playing roster? Or is it the boards job to pee more of their own cash up the wall?'"
It seems they have peed either their money or the clubs money away on campese already wouldn't you say?
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| Quote ="Beverley Robin"Unfortunately des, I didn't comment on your take on the campese situation. It's no good suggesting the likes of Powell for the coaches job. He's under contract and doing well so I doubt he's see us a step up. You might as well suggest Craig Bellemy if we're just throwing names out there. The truth of the matter is that there aren't many top coaches with experience (a prerequisite for the job as stated by our chairman) that we could realistically entice. If we have a chance of bringing a respected assistant coach from the nrl who was recently the coach of the national side to our club then we should be grateful he'll consider us. Granted, his time at Bradford didn't end well but it was his first coaching job in difficult circumstances. He will have undoubtably improved as a coach since then as would anyone in any job given 7 years more experience.'"
He went straight from his sacking at bradford to the england job,so the rfl must have been impressed by his performance at bradford,which explains why we failed miserably in the 2013 world cup.The only 2 teams of any consequence new zealand both beat us and we arguably had the strongest squad we have ever had,bearing in mind the 2013 man of steel wasn't considered by mcnamara because he dosn't like him.Sound reasoning wouldn't you say ?
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| Quote ="deslawson"It seems they have peed either their money or the clubs money away on campese already wouldn't you say?'"
Possibly so, without having the benefit of clear hindsight, perhaps you could tell me at what point did you decide we should terminate an employees contract? If it was before we signed him, then subject to evidence of this I will of course, apologise profusely and recommend you for the current vacancy of UK Prime Minister.
After said contract was signed then TC has an obligation to honour it, as do Rovers.
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| Quote ="deslawson"He went straight from his sacking at bradford to the england job,so the rfl must have been impressed by his performance at bradford,which explains why we failed miserably in the 2013 world cup.The only 2 teams of any consequence new zealand both beat us and we arguably had the strongest squad we have ever had,bearing in mind the 2013 man of steel wasn't considered by mcnamara because he dosn't like him.Sound reasoning wouldn't you say ?'"
No Des. Get real.
We didn't fail miserably at the 2013 World Cup.
I was at the Wembley semi final, when we outplayed NZ for most of the game. One of the best international RL games I have seen in almost 50 years as an avid RL fan tbh.
Then some recently retired icon of the game overshot the player in possession on the Kiwis final play with 21 secs to go, got easily sidestepped by the same ( a world class half back) and let him in for a try we shouldn't have conceded in all honesty. World Cup over. Not McNamara's fault in any way. I could have throttled Sir Kev after that, but still bought a signed copy of his autobiography. That's what experienced realism is all about. You forgive and move on as anyone can make mistakes. You learn by them.
Similarly I expect McNamara has learnt a lot in Oz as a coach since his Bradford days and moved his coaching competency on several levels.
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| Quote ="deslawson"He went straight from his sacking at bradford to the england job,so the rfl must have been impressed by his performance at bradford,which explains why we failed miserably in the 2013 world cup.The only 2 teams of any consequence new zealand both beat us and we arguably had the strongest squad we have ever had,bearing in mind the 2013 man of steel wasn't considered by mcnamara because he dosn't like him.Sound reasoning wouldn't you say ?'"
Des, it seems we will have to agree to disagree on the benefits or not of possibly installing McNamara as our next head coach. I, for one, would think that where we are as a club, to appoint someone who is respected within the game and has years of experience coaching elite players in both hemispheres and is relatively young and hungry would be a positive move. Like I said, bearing in mind where we are as a club and who we could realistally recruit. You seem happy to make a nostalgic appointment based on how well they played for us despite having zero coaching qualifications or experience (Newton / Galea) or Webster who, while improving the mess left by Chester, has a worse super league coaching record, no international experience and never coached in the world's premier club competition. Ok then....................
But like I said. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"I know my first choice would be David furner second Justin Morgan and third mcdermott'"
Furner's record is abysmal it's like a carbon copy of the sandercock era. His only qualification seems to be an Aussie accent.
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| Des seems to object to McNamara based on his record in his 1st coaching job, citing Bradford supporters as his primary witness.
He then goes on to want Webbo despite his abject failure in his 1st coaching job. I would like to direct him towards Wakefields forum for their opinion of Websters spell in charge.
Maybe it goes deeper, Webster is a former Rovers playing legend ( who I happen to have huge respect for) whereas McNamara plied his trade on the wrong side of the river.
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| Quote ="Beverley Robin"Des, it seems we will have to agree to disagree on the benefits or not of possibly installing McNamara as our next head coach. I, for one, would think that where we are as a club, to appoint someone who is respected within the game and has years of experience coaching elite players in both hemispheres and is relatively young and hungry would be a positive move. Like I said, bearing in mind where we are as a club and who we could realistally recruit. You seem happy to make a nostalgic appointment based on how well they played for us despite having zero coaching qualifications or experience (Newton / Galea) or Webster who, while improving the mess left by Chester, has a worse super league coaching record, no international experience and never coached in the world's premier club competition. Ok then....................
But like I said. We'll just have to agree to disagree.'"
That seems fair,thats what this forum is about,opinions,as it turned out I was right about campese and will be highly delighted if iam wrong about mcnamara but i fear he is a dud.As for newton and galea assuming they had their coaching badges,both loved their time at the club and its a difficult question who would you want as coach its hard to know who is available and who would want it,but powell would be my value for money choice.Morgan had no experience as head coach but did a damn good job.
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| Heard a whisper that Garth Brennan is in the frame.may be right may be wrong but he would be ideal for rovers imo
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| Quote ="deslawson"That seems fair,thats what this forum is about,opinions,as it turned out I was right about campese and will be highly delighted if iam wrong about mcnamara but i fear he is a dud.As for newton and galea assuming they had their coaching badges,both loved their time at the club and its a difficult question who would you want as coach its hard to know who is available and who would want it,but powell would be my value for money choice.Morgan had no experience as head coach but did a damn good job.'"
Morgan took Toulouse to the cc semi before his spell with us.
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| Quote ="dtrentHKR"Heard a whisper that Garth Brennan is in the frame.may be right may be wrong but he would be ideal for rovers imo'"
Hardly fits the bill as a proven head coach though.
Between macnamara and mcdermott I'd appoint mcdermott as rovers coach every day of the week but then I am a Hull supporter
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| Quote ="SirStan"Possibly so, without having the benefit of clear hindsight, perhaps you could tell me at what point did you decide we should terminate an employees contract? If it was before we signed him, then subject to evidence of this I will of course, apologise profusely and recommend you for the current vacancy of UK Prime Minister.
After said contract was signed then TC has an obligation to honour it, as do Rovers.'"
When we signed campese we knew he was a huge risk,always injury prone at canberra where he was a legend on and off the pitch, played only 139 matches in 11 seasons,and we gave him a 1year contract for that reason.Our major error was giving him a 2 year extension,I know he was playing well,but didnt you fear that with his injury record one more injury could spell the end of a glittering career.Sixteen years of hammer in the nrl takes its toll on the body and its shown in his 2 seasons with us,he was selected for italy in the 2013 world cup,but withdrew on medical advice because of his knees.The clues were there but we didn't heed them,as i said our blunder was giving him a 2 year extension.
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Quote ="dtrentHKR"Heard a whisper that Garth Brennan is in the frame.may be right may be wrong but he would be ideal for rovers imo'"
www.theherald.com.au/story/40246 ... ts/?cs=306
Mentioned in this article that Brenno is a chance.
He is a very hard man on discipline. He is a former police prosecutor and doesn't stand for any poor behaviour, on or off the field.
He was a decent lower grades coach at the Knights till Wayne Bennett sacked him to put in his own guy as under 20s coach, and Brennan got the job as under 20s coach at Penrith and smashed it in under 20 and reserve grade for the next 3 years (while living in Newcastle and making a 200klm round trip several times a week to coach).
The best thing about him is that he has coached some amazing young players at Penrith - the best lower grade squads in the game for the last few years - and a lot of them would be very keen to play for him again. Penrith are shedding heaps of talented young players, and Brennan has them all on speed dial.
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www.theherald.com.au/story/40246 ... ts/?cs=306
Mentioned in this article that Brenno is a chance.
He is a very hard man on discipline. He is a former police prosecutor and doesn't stand for any poor behaviour, on or off the field.
He was a decent lower grades coach at the Knights till Wayne Bennett sacked him to put in his own guy as under 20s coach, and Brennan got the job as under 20s coach at Penrith and smashed it in under 20 and reserve grade for the next 3 years (while living in Newcastle and making a 200klm round trip several times a week to coach).
The best thing about him is that he has coached some amazing young players at Penrith - the best lower grade squads in the game for the last few years - and a lot of them would be very keen to play for him again. Penrith are shedding heaps of talented young players, and Brennan has them all on speed dial.
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| Quote ="roopy"www.theherald.com.au/story/4024660/stone-stays-true-as-he-looks-to-rebuild-giants/?cs=306
Mentioned in this article that Brenno is a chance.
He is a very hard man on discipline. He is a former police prosecutor and doesn't stand for any poor behaviour, on or off the field.
He was a decent lower grades coach at the Knights till Wayne Bennett sacked him to put in his own guy as under 20s coach, and Brennan got the job as under 20s coach at Penrith and smashed it in under 20 and reserve grade for the next 3 years (while living in Newcastle and making a 200klm round trip several times a week to coach).
The best thing about him is that he has coached some amazing young players at Penrith - the best lower grade squads in the game for the last few years - and a lot of them would be very keen to play for him again. Penrith are shedding heaps of talented young players, and Brennan has them all on speed dial.'"
Thanks as always roopy,this sounds like somebody who would fit the bill perfectly. Fingers crossed.
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| Going along with Roopy's excellent in depth analysis and knowledge, I think Rick Stone or Garth Brennan would have been perfect fits for us. One would have got the best out of our average squad the other would have developed and got the best out of the youngsters Peacock is bringing into the club. Doubt we would have stood a chance signing them after the way we treat their mate.
However if we get McNamara I won't be too disappointed and I'm willing to give him a chance. Not bothered that he played for those on the wrong side of the river, as I am old enough to remember what some players like Arthur Bunting achieved when they crossed to coach the other side.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Well he certainly knows how to beat Hull
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"But he hasn't tried it, using your players!!'"
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"Meow you are sharp today have you had your weetabix for breakfast
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| Why are we keeping it a secret who the coach is going to be huds sacked their coach about a month ago and have said who theirs is why can we not, have we got one or what
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"Why are we keeping it a secret who the coach is going to be huds sacked their coach about a month ago and have said who theirs is why can we not, have we got one or what
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| I don't know who this new coach will be but hopefully he's bringing some defence and organisation with him because last night's game showed we don't have either. Whoever our next coach is has got a massive job on there hands.
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