I would agree with your initial point if we had been playing Saints, Wigan etc but against a Wakey team that is miles away from full cap and then not playing well, at home we should have won that by at least 12. Even if we'd been beaten by Wakey that were firing on all cylinders and we had put in a structured valiant effort I could have maybe thought that Chessie is doing it the hard way and with players back we'll be ok

Even taking injuries into account, do you think that we should have had enough to win yesterday?

I honestly think that even with a full squad we'll still struggle to beat most of the teams in the league if we don't sort out the basics.

Rowley to you guys am hearing

It seems,cockayne,clarkson,salter and kelly have all picked up injuries in yesterdays game,just to add icing to our cake.

Rough going for you guys ATM des

My mate just told me chester said in an interview Charlie was playing with injections we knew he wouldnt make the full match !!! If he was Billy Slater yeah get an hour out of him but for christs sake its Ben, the coach knew we would be an interchange down for a guy who didnt start the season as 1st choice full back. My £100 on chester 1st coaching casualty is looking safe, not sure how much Chester put on, must have been alot.

It is mate,even worse when boudebza gets 4 matches and garbutt only 2,mind you he plays for leeds so do we expect anything different.

We will ship 50 points or more on Friday and then CC will probably get the chop. It's a shame for anyone to get the elbow but I suspect Poching will be sacked at the same time.
I hope the board have had the foresight to approach the new coach this week because the chances of Rovers getting anything but a drubbing on Friday are nil. The new coach deserves a week at least to get some structure to the team before we take on Widnes.

The thing is with them missing it won't make a difference in the slightest all are dead weight at the minute

Des. We all know now that the RFL hands out suspensions based on the seriousness of the injury. Garbutt only wacked Tamou on the snotter. To get 4 matches, he would have needed to follow up his punch by snapping off his Willy. Potentially ending a players ability to reproduce the Rugby League superstars of the future is Grade C or D, I think and obviously the RFL would view this with the utmost seriousness.

Would that be big powerful structure or small and undersized structure like we have at the moment?

Yesterday we had 6 props, no back row rotation, no hookers & one half-back. Chessie has had no luck at all. Still doesn't excuse performances like that though.

I still think people are under estimating the effect of the missing players. Early last season my rovers supporting mate was telling me that rovers were brilliant to watch and, until injuries started to bite, you were scoring a hat full of tries. Your squad is broadly the same as it was then with a few fringe players leaving and a few new ones being brought in so what has changed? Has chester suddenly started to tell players to do something completely differently? I doubt it so the only other factor is the loss of campese and your 2 hookers.

Last season radford was getting panned for our one dimensional rugby and our lack of try scoring ability. Fast forward 12 months and we've scored 15 in 2 games - same coach but better players overall. It's no co-incidence.

Doesn't seem to me that your board have any intentions of sacking him any time soon anyway

Out of the frying pan, into the wok.

Lack of speed, passion, urgency, variation, skill, execution, leadership, enthusiasm, organisation, composure, flair, intent, game plan. You name it, we lacked it.

Our MOM was our stand in hooker. I was there. That 17 had enough talent to win, but they gifted Wakey 2 admittedly well taken tries. They bombed several chances, but overall didn't ask enough questions of an average Wakefield side. Just not good enough.

Is Rowley a big Ken Hom fan.
Do we want Rowley. They were presented a chance for promotion and unravelled. The other Championship teams out performed Leigh.

Of course the missing players are a big loss and yes rovers were playing some very good attacking rugby last season.
However, the fact remains that even with a full squad playing attractive rugby, we still had one of the worst defensive records in super league and finished outside the top eight, a fact that was supposed to be addressed during the close season
Up to now this hasn't happened and the old failings of last season are still very evident, I believe that time is fast running out for Chester and Poching who, for whatever reason seem unable or incapable of make any headway in addressing those failings any time soon.

It's not luck...there's a old Lee Trevino quote about luck. Was Alex Ferguson lucky for 30 years?

The players don't lack desire or commitment, they lack confidence. They are putting in the effort but they have lost belief in what they are doing.
For 4 seasons Morgan got better results against much better sides at that time, often with much worse players because he inspired the players....until his ego got the better of him.

Sandercock was a technically better coach but couldn't inspire anyone often because they were tret like children.

The players clearly have no faith in the nonsense being fed them.

Kelly and Horne's channel has been an open gate for the past season. I watched them Sunday. They never communicated once. Horne was ball watching every time. This is a coaching issue. Chester clearly has favourites but they are often our worst players.

The basics of coaching is build a good team....good players for each position..we have no second rows....none of any worth (Larroyer excepted) yet we have half a dozen utility backs He intended starting the season with Blair as our gun second row. We have no full back. He intended starting Sio there and apparently prepared preseason to....then changed his mind 30mins into the first friendly.
Lawler has been good but the role of a hooker is to distribute and read the game. He can't do either at the moment hence Kelly had men all over him due to half his passes hitting his bootlaces.
I could go on and on (I often do).
Chester needs putting out of his misery and given a job he can do.

Those proposing Rowley are way off the mark IMO, we need an experienced coach. We have never had an experienced coach since we got in to SL. We need someone who can come in and sort this mess out by stamping his authority on this squad.

For a time, after Radford was given the coaches job at FC he was slagged off and accused of many things, but what he had and made very clear was that he had a plan, and that was to get rid of the free loaders and start building a squad from the ground up, and at this moment in time, with pearsons backing that is where they are. Following the Sandercock clear out, I for one thought we might have the same plan, but no, we just seem to limp from one cockup to the next without any clear direction or remit. This for me is the crux of our problems, no clear defined plan, and very poor communication with the supporters of the club. What we need as mentioned is somebody to take the club by the scruff of its neck and drag it in a positive direction. peacock can recruit who he likes, but if they aren't motivated they might as well have kept all our homegrown lads and saved money

The only mentions of Rowley are coming from supporters of the champions-elect.

Chester cleared out after Sandercock all right, but look what he's recruited to date.

Campo. Brilliant but fragile and very costly
Lunt. Good but fragile and very costly
Kelly. Brilliant but fragile and very costly
Sio. Brilliant but coach unsure of his best position
Dixon. Flashes of brilliance but too inconsistent and cannot defend
Mantomato. Consistent and probably our best vfm new signing
Allgood and Tilse. Below average Aussie props.
Blair. Mr Versatile. No pace but a great defender and reader of the game. Our second best vfm new signing
Boudebza. Le Pocket Rocket. Getting better all the time. Our third best vfm new signing
Donaldson. Too small for back row, but brave and a good interchange. A good signing.
Thornley. Too early to tell. OK so far
Clarkson. Good defender. OK so far
Greenwood, Minns, Mulhern. Young with potential but that's it
Shaw. A wasted signing imo
Larroyer. Good player if deployed in the right way

We let Welham go but kept Salter.
We let Cox and Ollett go but kept Horne
We use Cockayne as starting fullback, but he is poor on distribution, high on mistakes and lacks pace and guile joining the attacking line. Ignores overlaps too.

18 of the 26 are Chester signings. It's his team following the Sandercock clear out. When they don't or can't perform like now, who is responsible? Certainly not Alan the kit man.

For me on the evidence of his time in charge, Chester is NOT a leader or a good enough strategic or tactical thinker. A proven coach with mentoring and motivational qualities is required.

Well said and true

We look as though we are signing lauaki on loan from bradford. Thoughts ?