As I am not allowed on your board I would like to ask you why there is such venom from your fans towards the Allams? They should remember they still employ your new chief! The most stupid suggestion (and I've also heard this from some City fans) is that they only bought City so they could get the ground! In other words they have laid out over £30 million on the off chance they could develop the stadium and the land around it, a pretty strange way of going about it don't you think. The expression "cart before the horse" springs to mind. You have to acknowledge that the stadium has been up now for over 9 years and the land around it stays the same. Surely you cannot block development (by anybody) by quoting Hull Fair and the weekly gathering of fake DVD's etc. Do you agree with me that they must start talking
again?

Is Barista Hull FC, Hull City Council and Hull City FC's spokesperson now?

She a lot more powerful than I thought, perhaps I should stop mocking her.

Thread renamed - unless I mess it up.

edit - Allam's with an apostrophe is my error, but I can't be bothered to fix it.

Only if there is something new to discuss - the current 'offer' has zero chance of success.

You've made me look like a mad person now and I can manage that quite well enough on my own thank you very much.

in answer to the thread yes talk by all means but leave us out of it we will have your money but we are not going to the KC no not ever

I think we all agree I really should be, given my utter excellence in all areas of just about everything. Not in the "All Time Great Communicators" category with Mike Smith yet, but he's got a few years on me.


I hadn't noticed you mocking. I thought it was friendly banter. If there is malicious intent behind it, I'm upset and disappointed. Greasy-faced and cruel fowl. Go and fatten yourself up for Xmas.

Was the lovely Vince inviting me in BTW? I have some jobs to do, but I'll get back to him a bit later. Perhaps whilst listening to Craig Sandercock talking about how important the derbies are and Mike Smith saying the board are as frustrated as anyone that the ground developments are taking a long time. It's like I can see into the future too - [uthat's[/u how powerful I am. Ha!

Here are some potential reasons:

1) He has said he's effectively gifting us use of his stadium. This is untrue on 2 counts. Firstly it's the council's stadium. Secondly we pay in excess of £600k a year to play at the KC. "Gifting" would be taking advantage of, say, a peppercorn rental arrangement. We're not afforded that benefit courtesy of the council, unfortunately for us.
2) To "compensate" for his (untrue) claim in 1), he's then given you £1m. Not really engaging with FC fans thus far tbh.
3) He's said his preference is for the 2 rugby clubs to merge.
4) When things get a bit sticky at Hull City, he conjures up a "Sporting Village" proposal as a "gift" to the city of Hull. The fact that he needs the freehold of the KC for nowt to use as security for a loan to do so should have rung some alarm bells about the Sporting Gift story in anyone with half a brain. Clearly that rules out the local media. Perhaps there's a commercial element to all this as you'd struggle to repay an £80m loan from the receipts of a squash court and a swimming pool. Just a thought.
5) The negotiating stance taken by him is unreasonable, and I'm being polite. He and the Councillors attending the recent meeting have confirmed that he won't discuss anything unless the council agree to give him the KC. Bearing in mind the council have seen no plans and had no detailed costings, do you think this is a good basis to start discussion, or do you consider this an unreasonable pre-requisite when a £40m asset is at stake?
6) The lovely shiny badge of this development as a Sporting Village gift to the city is starting to lose its lustre. Pearson and Hudgell have both said that there is a commercial element to it, and there has to be to pay back (a point I raised months ago). Allam has talked of restaurants, boutiques and, unbelievably, a supermarket on the site. The council say that Allam was unaware of existing sporting facilities in local proximity and offered to bin them, effectively leaving only a squash court. The council offered Costello for the site of the Sporting Village. This idea was rejected out of hand. Do you see a theme developing here?
7) The councillors flagged concerns that FC would be out on their ear in 15 months from signing a deal.

I think these are probably enough reasons for FC fans to be lukewarm about him. To exaggerate to make the point, The Sporting Village for all we know could have at its heart a squash court and a monolithic Tesco sprawling over West Park, with FC playing at Costello in 2013. When you add his attitude to "negotiations" and inappropriately emotive language about Asbos to the fact that a few months ago it was a sporting gift and is now a commercial development with a supermarket, you can see why people, including the council who've not seen any plans, and FC fans, are a bit mistrusting.

The final point is one on Planning policy. With vacancy rates in the city centre which are probably due to the council already consenting more retail units than is sustainable by the population, I wouldn't see Anlaby Road as a sequentially preferable site unless I wanted to suck even more lift out of the town.

The fact that he also now is pumping more cash into Rovers, apparently, is just cherry on the icing on the cake of FC fans' scepticism.

i have no venom for the Allams, good luck to them, i think its great there prepared to pump such great amounts of money into there adopted city.

I await Vince's reply with interest...

I might give the council a call and ask if they can give me Pearson Park for nothing. I'll promise (despite having no actual plans) to build a school on the site, as well as some retail outlets that i can make money from.

Me: "Please can you give me Pearson park and I promise I'll build a school/other amenities for the people of Hull."
Council: ''Do you have any detailed plans you could show us Mr Bartos?''
Me: "No. You have to give me the park for free and I promise I'll build a school as a gift to this wonderful city - that's how this deal works''.

Can Rovers not give Allam his money back and tell him that they want nothing to do with him?

Why u think it's gonna end in tears

Ooh. Do tell.

Problem is, I doubt they can, and Assem knows this. That's why he's launched this particular little strategy in the first place. Not worried, are you?

I think it would end in tears for you lot if you had to suddenly pay back the £1m.....

Twas a gift don't u listen or a soft loan a penny a month is all we have to pay back

What strategy are we talking about?

The term "soft loan" is usually associated with interest free loans.

If Allam wanted his money back, he would be entitled to it.

Rovers have got into bed with Allam. I am guessing that Allam thinks Hull FC are in his pocket, but they are not.

The council have called his bluff. Lets see this mass development at Melton as threatened. But I am guessing that if he needed the KC freehold to borrow against the channces are he is not going to get much from a bank IF he acquired the land at Melton.

It does beg the question, if he is so well off, why borrow the money for this "gift". Simple answer is, he is not quite as wealthy as he would like to make out.

As Mrs B has pointed out, he behaves like a child, throwing his toys out of the pram.

I wouldn't give it a chance of it happening. He's clearly not to be trusted.

The strategy of establishing himself as Rovers' biggest creditor with all the latent power that position brings. Of course.

Just ask Red Red Robin - he seems to have grasped the threat.

He's not though is he, I'd have thought that was probably Mr. Parasol.
What evil plans do you think he has?
Ask that Fatima lass from Portugal, she's good at conspiracies.

World domination!

He's so freckin' evil
"Hull Kingston Rovers ... you owe me ONE million pounds"

Perfect!

Dear God, goose, are you banned from the Hull board as well as the secret one? It's all there under various threads stretching back to July last year. Try "THe KC Stadium" one currently in mode for starters.

Thought umbrella company was a sponsor? Think umbrella man may have put a bit of his own dosh in, but the difference is he luuurves your club and has no ulterior motives. Allam, on the other hand, had never been to a rugby match before soiling his foot in your end and has zero love for your little team. All has done in the past year has been done as a means to an end. He's your biggest creditor and he holds you in his palm.

He's been here donkeys' for goodness' sake. We've only see his "generous" nature emerge since he realized he needed help to get City where he needs it to be. Fancy that.

U got one of minni me