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| There seems to be an issue brewing with Sheffield with regard to their share of the gate for the cup game.
Are teams like Sheffield who dont bring any more than a minibus of fans to away games, visiting the better supported clubs entitled to have a right to demand what share of the gate they receive ?
Or do the more fortunate clubs have a moral obligation to financially support the smaller clubs and ensure their survival ?
What would be a fair split, keep your own ticket sales ? 70/30 ?, 50/50 after overheads are covered ?
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| Quote ="BiltonRobin"There seems to be an issue brewing with Sheffield with regard to their share of the gate for the cup game.
Are teams like Sheffield who dont bring any more than a minibus of fans to away games, visiting the better supported clubs entitled to have a right to demand what share of the gate they receive ?
Or do the more fortunate clubs have a moral obligation to financially support the smaller clubs and ensure their survival ?
What would be a fair split, keep your own ticket sales ? 70/30 ?, 50/50 after overheads are covered ?'"
I don't think there can be any discussions on how the gate proceeds are split for cup matches. RFL rules say 50/50 after expenses deducted. The issue as I read it is that we want to reduce the prices to encourage a bigger attendance whilst Sheffield want normal prices.
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| Having seen their appalling support yesterday, they will be after every penny form the Rovers supporters to subsidise their trip!
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| Quote ="Keiththered"I don't think there can be any discussions on how the gate proceeds are split for cup matches. RFL rules say 50/50 after expenses deducted. The issue as I read it is that we want to reduce the prices to encourage a bigger attendance whilst Sheffield want normal prices.'"
OK thanks for that, It wasn't very clear in the Daily Mail.
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| If I didn't mean I would miss watching the team I love I would be happy to boycott watching Rovers at Sheffield, Oldham and any other team that cant be @rsed to bring more then a skateboard full of fans. A team in the NCL like Siddal would bring more then 16 fans for gods sake
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| Ah,the rugby league family.
A group of supporters of a club that has been in existence since time began and spent all of those years getting all of that money from Super League/Television looking down on supporters of 2 clubs who have had a difficult few years and a peripatetic existence.
You managed to score 48 points and keep Oldham to nil,and win by 40 points yesterday.Every reason why loyal supporters from Oldham and Sheffield should have been happy to be in attendance then.
The lack of support for clubs in Hull has been noticed.The RFL was forced to give your good neighbours Gateshead Thunder lock,stock and barrel to help raise their support and keep that club going.
You of course managed to resist a merger.Sheffield Eagles,after winning the Challenge Cup,did not.
The council of Sheffield do not assist as much as the council of Hull does.
The impossible takes time and miracles a little longer. Both may be attempted once a home stadium is positioned in the Sheffield community.
Had fate determined that you had drawn against Siddal,then the distribution of the monies for a Challenge Cup game would be exactly the same as they are.
Had the RFL determined that following crowd disorder you had to play outside of the city for a year,I would suggest that you may have lost a few from the number of your supporters.
Had you had to play at a number of different stadia over a number of years you may have lost more.
It is a wonderful feeling to know that some rugby league supporters can attend every game and Hull KR sell-out each and every home game and take thousands to every away game.Oh,they don't? But they're missing Ben Cockayne! What a failing club not 'enticing' members of the public to attend a rugby league game.
I won't be asking you lot what should be done,then...
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"Ah,the rugby league family.
A group of supporters of a club that has been in existence since time began and spent all of those years getting all of that money from Super League/Television looking down on supporters of 2 clubs who have had a difficult few years and a peripatetic existence.
You managed to score 48 points and keep Oldham to nil,and win by 40 points yesterday.Every reason why loyal supporters from Oldham and Sheffield should have been happy to be in attendance then.
The lack of support for clubs in Hull has been noticed.The RFL was forced to give your good neighbours Gateshead Thunder lock,stock and barrel to help raise their support and keep that club going.
You of course managed to resist a merger.Sheffield Eagles,after winning the Challenge Cup,did not.
The council of Sheffield do not assist as much as the council of Hull does.
The impossible takes time and miracles a little longer. Both may be attempted once a home stadium is positioned in the Sheffield community.
Had fate determined that you had drawn against Siddal,then the distribution of the monies for a Challenge Cup game would be exactly the same as they are.
Had the RFL determined that following crowd disorder you had to play outside of the city for a year,I would suggest that you may have lost a few from the number of your supporters.
Had you had to play at a number of different stadia over a number of years you may have lost more.
It is a wonderful feeling to know that some rugby league supporters can attend every game and Hull KR sell-out each and every home game and take thousands to every away game.Oh,they don't? But they're missing Ben Cockayne! What a failing club not 'enticing' members of the public to attend a rugby league game.
I won't be asking you lot what should be done,then...'"
Were you one of the 16? we've been through really bad times I've been to Sheffield and seen us concede 66pts I don't see what your point is
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"Ah,the rugby league family.
A group of supporters of a club that has been in existence since time began and spent all of those years getting all of that money from Super League/Television looking down on supporters of 2 clubs who have had a difficult few years and a peripatetic existence.
You managed to score 48 points and keep Oldham to nil,and win by 40 points yesterday.Every reason why loyal supporters from Oldham and Sheffield should have been happy to be in attendance then.
The lack of support for clubs in Hull has been noticed.The RFL was forced to give your good neighbours Gateshead Thunder lock,stock and barrel to help raise their support and keep that club going.
You of course managed to resist a merger.Sheffield Eagles,after winning the Challenge Cup,did not.
The council of Sheffield do not assist as much as the council of Hull does.
The impossible takes time and miracles a little longer. Both may be attempted once a home stadium is positioned in the Sheffield community.
Had fate determined that you had drawn against Siddal,then the distribution of the monies for a Challenge Cup game would be exactly the same as they are.
Had the RFL determined that following crowd disorder you had to play outside of the city for a year,I would suggest that you may have lost a few from the number of your supporters.
Had you had to play at a number of different stadia over a number of years you may have lost more.
It is a wonderful feeling to know that some rugby league supporters can attend every game and Hull KR sell-out each and every home game and take thousands to every away game.Oh,they don't? But they're missing Ben Cockayne! What a failing club not 'enticing' members of the public to attend a rugby league game.
I won't be asking you lot what should be done,then...'"
We have been threw worse times then what you talk about I have been a rovers fan for 55 yrs and seen what you are on about so if I was you I would keep mum was you at the game all 16 of you
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| the point is why should KR subsidise you, don't tell me your all skint in Sheffield, east hull has the highest unemployment in the country, we are loyal supporters , you reap what you sew ,
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"Ah,the rugby league family.
A group of supporters of a club that has been in existence since time began and spent all of those years getting all of that money from Super League/Television looking down on supporters of 2 clubs who have had a difficult few years and a peripatetic existence.
You managed to score 48 points and keep Oldham to nil,and win by 40 points yesterday.Every reason why loyal supporters from Oldham and Sheffield should have been happy to be in attendance then.
The lack of support for clubs in Hull has been noticed.The RFL was forced to give your good neighbours Gateshead Thunder lock,stock and barrel to help raise their support and keep that club going.
You of course managed to resist a merger.Sheffield Eagles,after winning the Challenge Cup,did not.
The council of Sheffield do not assist as much as the council of Hull does.
The impossible takes time and miracles a little longer. Both may be attempted once a home stadium is positioned in the Sheffield community.
Had fate determined that you had drawn against Siddal,then the distribution of the monies for a Challenge Cup game would be exactly the same as they are.
Had the RFL determined that following crowd disorder you had to play outside of the city for a year,I would suggest that you may have lost a few from the number of your supporters.
Had you had to play at a number of different stadia over a number of years you may have lost more.
It is a wonderful feeling to know that some rugby league supporters can attend every game and Hull KR sell-out each and every home game and take thousands to every away game.Oh,they don't? But they're missing Ben Cockayne! What a failing club not 'enticing' members of the public to attend a rugby league game.
I won't be asking you lot what should be done,then...'"
Rovers, like yourselves, want to get maximum amount of revenue from this game. After yesterdays match with such a one sided score line it would be wise to have a lower price to entice more supporters through the gate. Holding out for a higher ticket price will come back and bite Sheffield on the harris. Remember the split is after the expense of putting the match on. If very few supporters turn up then the split could be very small indeed.
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| Am I the only one slightly embarrassed by this whole focus on away fan numbers? It's hardly coming as a surprise that fans are few & far between at this level of the game now is it? It's all sounding a bit HullFC to jizz on about massive support.
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| Quote ="rover 2000"the point is why should KR subsidise you, don't tell me your all skint in Sheffield, east hull has the highest unemployment in the country, we are loyal supporters , you reap what you sew ,'"
Whether unemployed or not the Sheffield Eagles supporters recently dug deep to assist the club financially.
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby-league-hull-kr-finances-hit-rock-bottom-1282250.htmlDon't Times Change?[/url
Should I expect Rugby leagues answer to Joey Barton,Ben Cockayne,suggest that Hull KR fans don't go to Catalan Dragons
next year,should you be promoted,because they don't have many visiting fans - despite being in Super League?
Completely unnecessary and unhelpful.
Obviously Cockayne is so professional and knowledgeable on all things rugby league that his reference of 'numpty' is to an individual who recently wrote a blog about his support for Bradford Bulls which was acknowledged by many of the top rugby league journalists and enjoyed by rugby league 'supporters'.
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| your club maybe not doing well but that's not our fault, get your supporters to rally round, get your s to games in numbers like we do and did when times were hard, we suffered obscurity while our neighbours merged. our chairman was a working class local supporter , stop feeling hard done by, hullkr supporters will put a lot of their hard got money into championship clubs this year so deserve any success
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| Rovers reduced prices for the Oldham Cup tie last season and it drew 8 coach loads of away supporters.
I might be wrong here, but the home club makes the final decision on admission prices, plus Sheff will get their bonanza gate receipts when Rovers play them away.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Am I the only one slightly embarrassed by this whole focus on away fan numbers? It's hardly coming as a surprise that fans are few & far between at this level of the game now is it? It's all sounding a bit HullFC to jizz on about massive support.'"
Yes it is and no you are not.
Also if f#cking no one came to support Sheffield in the cup game they should still get half the takings. It's the agreed rule and they need the money. Why begrudge them it.
Also some people have found the same moral ground as Ben Cockayne ......a shakey place on any issue.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Yes it is and no you are not.
Also if f#cking no one came to support Sheffield in the cup game they should still get half the takings. It's the agreed rule and they need the money. Why begrudge them it.
Also some people have found the same moral ground as Ben Cockayne ......a shakey place on any issue.'" your posts are disturbingly obsessive about ben cockayne it seems to have dominated your threads for too long
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| Quote ="rover 2000"your posts are disturbingly obsessive about ben cockayne it seems to have dominated your threads for too long'"
Yes....yes that's the point of the post. The post had nothing to do with being concerned with rugby league's need to support clubs like Sheffield. The history of rugby league and how it came from poor communities and has a history of economic struggles. Rovers fans then start refusing to share cup gate receipts and displaying the worst attitudes of our Shark neighbours. Let's let Sheffield go to the wall. If Wigan fans had advocated keeping cup receipts from us when we were previously in the lower leagues there would be some serious bleating on here.
The bigot is a reference point. He's a Rover's player who sections of the crowd have built some strange cult around. He makes another Trump esque bleat on social media and they blindly follow. He made the first comments on this issue.
By the way his performances in the play offs last year should be added to his long list of crimes.
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"Whether unemployed or not the Sheffield Eagles supporters recently dug deep to assist the club financially.
I'm a little confused, you say your club is in a financial pickle and need to exploit every avenue possible to boost their income stream due to poor attendance, no ground, very little backing etc.
Then why did you let super league fans in for free to the Toulouse game ?
I am of the understanding anyone who attended the Wakefield- Hull game could stay in the ground and watch.
I would have thought a half price ticket would generate more income for your club than a free one
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| Quote ="SirStan"Am I the only one slightly embarrassed by this whole focus on away fan numbers? It's hardly coming as a surprise that fans are few & far between at this level of the game now is it? It's all sounding a bit HullFC to jizz on about massive support.'"
I agree, I was actually shocked at some of the attendances, eg. Rochdale average sub 500, and it makes you wonder how they can run as a viable business.
The game at all levels seems to be in a rut and us playing mister Billy big nuts whilst playing at little school will do us no favours.
I assume non of us now what the actual detail of the 'negotiations' between us and Sheffield entail but I would expect Sheffields representatives to get the best return for their money. We will no doubt be trying to convince them that charging less will have a +ve effect on the final figure, isn;t that what business is about.
Just as a final point, I believe we are charge the highest ticket prices in the league, most clubs will come expecting a spanking so why would they turn up on a freezing Sunday, pay a premium price to see a rout??
I remember when we played Wigan, with a depleted squad, knowing we was going to take a pummeling (and we did) and took about 150 fans. I;m not ashamed to say I gave that one a miss as I wasn't spending my hard earned to watch that. Think some of our fans need a bit of perspective.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Yes....yes that's the point of the post. The post had nothing to do with being concerned with rugby league's need to support clubs like Sheffield. The history of rugby league and how it came from poor communities and has a history of economic struggles. Rovers fans then start refusing to share cup gate receipts and displaying the worst attitudes of our Shark neighbours. Let's let Sheffield go to the wall. If Wigan fans had advocated keeping cup receipts from us when we were previously in the lower leagues there would be some serious bleating on here.
The bigot is a reference point. He's a Rover's player who sections of the crowd have built some strange cult around. He makes another Trump esque bleat on social media and they blindly follow. He made the first comments on this issue.
By the way his performances in the play offs last year should be added to his long list of crimes.'" people have there own opinions about all matters, the Sheffield poster was having a go at the club I support so I replied, then your obsession about ben cockayne kicks in,, your assuming again, that everybody who dosent agree with you loves ben cockayne some people can speak for themselves rightly or wrongly its a forum , what gives you the right to tie certain people to ben cockayne ive never met him you should take up your issue with him
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| It's not a shock having no away fans I only expected Bradford to bring a few and I guess there will be a big turnout of Fev fans on Good Friday and Halifax will maybe bring a few but expecting teams that get 500 at home to travel in large numbers is nonsense does anybody actually remember when we were last in this league we had no away fans apart from the odd game
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| Quote ="rover 2000"people have there own opinions about all matters, the Sheffield poster was having a go at the club I support so I replied, then your obsession about ben cockayne kicks in,, your assuming again, that everybody who dosent agree with you loves ben cockayne some people can speak for themselves rightly or wrongly its a forum , what gives you the right to tie certain people to ben cockayne ive never met him you should take up your issue with him'"
Im with you on this one, the kid made a huge mistake 10 years ago, who didn't make mistakes in their 20s? might not be as bad as he did, but what he does for the club with fundraising efforts for the RSG, plus its undisputed in the fact he bleeds red and white and loves this club to bits. Loyalty is a hard thing to find in sport, one thing you cannot question is that he is as loyal as they come. That and the fact he has played some bloody good rugby for us over the years.
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| Quote ="robinrovers10"Im with you on this one, the kid made a huge mistake 10 years ago, who didn't make mistakes in their 20s? might not be as bad as he did, but what he does for the club with fundraising efforts for the RSG, plus its undisputed in the fact he bleeds red and white and loves this club to bits. Loyalty is a hard thing to find in sport, one thing you cannot question is that he is as loyal as they come. That and the fact he has played some bloody good rugby for us over the years.'"
But we have better wingers the problem with Ben is yes he gives 100% and can cover a few positions but he's not really good enough in any of them I'd keep him as cover only
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"But we have better wingers the problem with Ben is yes he gives 100% and can cover a few positions but he's not really good enough in any of them I'd keep him as cover only'"
TRUE Frankie and I think Ben knows this but he is still willing to turn up and turn out when needed
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"TRUE Frankie and I think Ben knows this but he is still willing to turn up and turn out when needed
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Ben has something the squad is lacking and that is experience. We have a young squad and his experience will be invaluable this season.
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