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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Super league squads may typically contain 30 players but they rarely contain 30 fit players. With extra fixtures to fulfill the number of injuries would be likely to rise. I think you’d have to be looking at adding about 10 part-time players to the squad to have a decent chance of fulfilling a worthwhile number of fixtures. They won’t be immune to injury themselves. That is doable, but i’m dubious there’d be a good return on the required investment.
As for making it compulsory, what sort of sanction would you have in place for not fulfilling fixtures? I suppose you could do it on an escalating scale, so a team that is genuinely struggling for numbers for a couple of weeks isn’t unfairly punished, but not really bothering has a serious cost associated with it.
I just can’t help but feel that if something is attractive, it wouldn’t have to be made compulsory.'"
True regarding injuries, which is where top local talent & U19's fill in, I don't feel there'd be a significant additional financial outlay. Even with our injuries on Saturday, we still had Turgut, Lane, Sanderson, Litten, Scott, Bieniek & Osborne available to us.
I'm not sure the senior players would end up playing more matches, particularly with the league changes for 2019, but the youngsters certainly would.
Sanction - I'm really not sure as I'm not sure what's in place now.
Plenty of things are compulsory that work for the greater good. The salary cap, the non-fed rules etc. Part of a clubs membership to SL, in return for the central funding they receive, should be commitments to 'give back' to the game, and a great way to do that is to increase participation and increase the player pool.
I get your point re investment, but if every club adopted that attitude we'd see our academies dry up. In fact, we're already seeing the start of that with our clubs pooling their investment. Some clubs with be non-believers and see it as a financial burden, but as I mentioned, there are ways they can commercialise the reserves if they put the effort in. | | |
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The RFU have a guy working with the East Riding schools, even Yorkshire cricket send bowling/batting coaches down even at primary level.You have to engage youngsters.You will probably lose 20 for every 1 you bring through as keeping them interested is nigh on impossible My nephew was involved in local RL but now obsessed with boxing but had real talent in RL. I went to Hunsley a fair while ago and no RL played there (officaly) Just RU.They are better funded better organised and have a far superior international product but a RU club game is turgid to watch compared to SL imo
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| Quote ="craig hkr"They are better funded better organised and have a far superior international product but a RU club game is turgid to watch compared to SL imo'"
Back when Union was officially amateur still and was based more heavily around kicking and set pieces, imo there was, even allowing for my bias, a big gap.
Union has come a long way as a spectacle. It is still flawed, imo - but that largely just reflects my preferences now. Putting aside, probably now outdated, resentments there’s much to admire even though I remain largely uninterested.
At the same time, the dicking about in the ruck and conservative tactics make RL games I watch as neutral less compelling than a few years ago. | | |
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Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game. |
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Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game. | |
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| Problem is there's still a lot of outdated, and I believe, class related prejudices from the Union people towards our game in this area.
My lads play both codes and some of his more snobbish Union coaches are clearly unhappy he and some of his mates play contact League. It's not helped by them only playing tag at his age group so some of the tags are, how can I put it...? - A little robust!  And hand-offs are frowned upon which is really difficult for a 6yr old to remember what code he's playing when running full pelt with the ball. However when they do start to tackle in a year's time they will be the best tacklers on the pitch!
Having said that I do believe there is room for both codes to flourish at their young age group but the problems will arise eventually when match days clash at weekends and they are forced to choose code. | | | |
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Quote ="DGM"Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game.'"
It sounds like it is working well for Halifax. If Rovers were relegated and eventually had to go part-time, for example, I can see value in running an inexpensive reserve team as part of wider reshaping of the club, along a similar model.
However, all clubs have different circumstances and a variety of approaches is fine imo. Presently we’re a SL club and our partnership with York seems to be working well (for both parties, based on what their coach has said). Equally, i’ve got no issue with other SL clubs running reserve teams if that suits them. Making it compulsory, just reminds me of licensing - of people who don’t have the pressures of running a club more or less accusing those that do of doing it wrong, and trying to force them to do it differently.
Edit. I’ve just been looking for Jamie Peacock quotes for t’other thread, and I quite like this Queensland-inspired model (details towards the end of the article).
www.seriousaboutrl.com/peacock-r ... rade-5023/
Which is pretty near to a reserve team, but I especially like that the younger lads stay with their amateur clubs longer. Obviously, KuH and the East Riding isn’t Brisbane and Queensland, but investment in links with community clubs, and 19s and 23s (with a limited number over age) is attractive imo. And if the 23s were a joint team under the CoH banner, it could be worthwhile and affordable. Karen made a good point about about building a club identity through these teams, a while back, but imo it’d be better to focus resources. |
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Quote ="DGM"Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game.'"
It sounds like it is working well for Halifax. If Rovers were relegated and eventually had to go part-time, for example, I can see value in running an inexpensive reserve team as part of wider reshaping of the club, along a similar model.
However, all clubs have different circumstances and a variety of approaches is fine imo. Presently we’re a SL club and our partnership with York seems to be working well (for both parties, based on what their coach has said). Equally, i’ve got no issue with other SL clubs running reserve teams if that suits them. Making it compulsory, just reminds me of licensing - of people who don’t have the pressures of running a club more or less accusing those that do of doing it wrong, and trying to force them to do it differently.
Edit. I’ve just been looking for Jamie Peacock quotes for t’other thread, and I quite like this Queensland-inspired model (details towards the end of the article).
www.seriousaboutrl.com/peacock-r ... rade-5023/
Which is pretty near to a reserve team, but I especially like that the younger lads stay with their amateur clubs longer. Obviously, KuH and the East Riding isn’t Brisbane and Queensland, but investment in links with community clubs, and 19s and 23s (with a limited number over age) is attractive imo. And if the 23s were a joint team under the CoH banner, it could be worthwhile and affordable. Karen made a good point about about building a club identity through these teams, a while back, but imo it’d be better to focus resources. | |
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And hand-offs are frowned upon which is really difficult for a 6yr old to remember what code he's playing when running full pelt with the ball. However when they do start to tackle in a year's time they will be the best tacklers on the pitch!
