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| Quote ="rugbyman"And quotes of gates lower than expected, they said they were budgeting on 700 at the beginning of the season and most of the sensible fans knows that we have beat that number on quite a few occasions this year, so how many freebies have been given, or what was the true figure that they budgeted for?'"
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| Quote ="rugbyman"And quotes of gates lower than expected, they said they were budgeting on 700 at the beginning of the season and most of the sensible fans knows that we have beat that number on quite a few occasions this year, so how many freebies have been given, or what was the true figure that they budgeted for?
How as the debt gone from £40000 to around £80000, i know some of the players were on contracts from last year but a lot are on playing terms only.
we must have saved in the region of £40000 - £50000 from Bauer, Green, Handforth, Briggs and Haley going, who i presume were contracted players.'"
The Dons would not have saved 40K TO 50K just yet on the players contracts, they have only just recently left, the Taxman also puts interest on what is owed to him on a daily basis and I’m sure that sponsorship would have been placed into the projections to run the club (Credit crunch has killed off the companies that the Dons would have been targeting)
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| Quote ="DRAGONFAN"There certainly needs to be something set up--but i would have thought best to leave till after the Administration is sorted out.
Any ideas for Fundraising will i'm sure be welcomed by all fans of the club.'" hi are u the addmin ror the site if so when can we get together to chat about that thing i mentioned to u at the meeting
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| Quote ="Donny Dave"hi are u the addmin ror the site if so when can we get together to chat about that thing i mentioned to u at the meeting'"
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Hi Donny Dave---Please read your private messages.
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| Quote ="Marshland"The Dons would not have saved 40K TO 50K just yet on the players contracts, they have only just recently left, the Taxman also puts interest on what is owed to him on a daily basis and I’m sure that sponsorship would have been placed into the projections to run the club (Credit crunch has killed off the companies that the Dons would have been targeting)'"
I thought the club were been advised on business & financial matters by a group of local business people surely a good piece of sensible advice would have been to to always make sure your payments to the Inland Revenue & VAT are always paid & up to date yet it is rumoured the club owes the inland revenue around £40k
Nat 1 teams receive £100k from the RFL this season somethig they didn't get last season & we were told we were starting off a debt free club this season and wouldn't be living beyond our meams yet half way through the season we are in administration with debts of around £80k how as this happened in such a short period of time ?
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| Quote ="GeoffRoebuck"I thought the club were been advised on business & financial matters by a group of local business people surely a good piece of sensible advice would have been to to always make sure your payments to the Inland Revenue & VAT are always paid & up to date yet it is rumoured the club owes the inland revenue around £40k
Nat 1 teams receive £100k from the RFL this season somethig they didn't get last season & we were told we were starting off a debt free club this season and wouldn't be living beyond our meams yet half way through the season we are in administration with debts of around £80k how as this happened in such a short period of time ?'"
Geoff please see my post timed at 5.53pm 3rd June on the Admin thread. That broadcast from Dave Marshall will fill in all the missing blanks from this dialogue. Thats if someone can carry out what I suggested. If not available then PM me.
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| Quote ="GeoffRoebuck"I thought the club were been advised on business & financial matters by a group of local business people surely a good piece of sensible advice would have been to to always make sure your payments to the Inland Revenue & VAT are always paid & up to date yet it is rumoured the club owes the inland revenue around £40k
Nat 1 teams receive £100k from the RFL this season somethig they didn't get last season & we were told we were starting off a debt free club this season and wouldn't be living beyond our meams yet half way through the season we are in administration with debts of around £80k how as this happened in such a short period of time ?'"
Dont believe all you are told by the RFL , the 100k per club is not what it seems , just more RFL positive ' spin '
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| Quote ="Starbug"Dont believe all you are told by the RFL , the 100k per club is not what it seems , just more RFL positive ' spin '
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The question is did the club submit there business plan to the RFL for there approval based on what amount of payment they would receive from the RFL this season?
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| Quote ="GeoffRoebuck"The question is did the club submit there business plan to the RFL for there approval based on what amount of payment they would receive from the RFL this season?'"
Its straightforward as far as i can see-
The club submitted a budget to the RFL which was approved.
A short time afterwards the clubs gone bust.
Lower attendences,less sponsorship than projected etc cant be totally to blame for the said level of debt.
Sadly i cant see the clubs long suffering fans ever finding the true reasons-although its not hard to figure it out.
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| Quote ="GeoffRoebuck"The question is did the club submit there business plan to the RFL for there approval based on what amount of payment they would receive from the RFL this season?'"
To get this money from the RFL involves employing key personel that in all honesty you probably dont need
There is little if any cash monies from the RFL
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| Moonlight(Alan) you can listen to Dave Marshall by going onto Radio Sheffield web site.Marshall confirms administration application
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| Quote ="wahs"Moonlight(Alan) you can listen to Dave Marshall by going onto Radio Sheffield web site.Marshall confirms administration application'"
Harry, that one is an interview from this week. If I've understood correctly, what Alan is referring to is an interview from April 14.
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| Not managed to find the April 14 interview, but [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/7972750.stmthis one[/url pre-dates it by only a fortnight and is interesting listening as it talks of financial investment.
It occurs only 7 weeks before the 'crisis' meeting with Carl Hall on May 19. How can things have changed so dramatically in 7 weeks???
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| Quote ="Starbug"To get this money from the RFL involves employing key personel that in all honesty you probably dont need
There is little if any cash monies from the RFL'"
The modern club/game is not just about putting a team on the field, the RFL want and demand that clubs develop their own talent, this means clubs have to have a employ people to go into schools, local clubs and even non-heartland areas, this is an area that the Dons have excelled in, we have more than a dozen secondary school and god knows how many primary schools playing rugby league, this Sunday sees the first of seven under 11's tournaments being played at Moorends.
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| Quote ="Marshland":25jku4cdThe modern club/game is not just about putting a team on the field, :25jku4cdthe RFL want and demand that clubs develop their own talent:25jku4cd, this means :25jku4cdclubs have to have a employ people to go into schools, local clubs :25jku4cdand even non-heartland areas, this is an area that the Dons have excelled in, we have more than a dozen secondary school and god knows how many primary schools playing rugby league, this Sunday sees the first of seven under 11's tournaments being played at Moorends.'" so in all honesty I would have thought it would have not been high on your list of priorities
And even though you have done plenty of good work if you ended up dissapearing from the pro sport it wouldn't continue
All I did was point out to whoever posted it that the 100k from the RFL is not all it seems
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I m sorry folks, but rather than analysing another collapse of the club should nt we be looking at ensuring that it never happens again.
We can argue between ourselves on this site forever with the hope that another consortium or knight in shining armour comes along to save the club. Arguably if this happens there is a very good chance that some of the people who may have got us into this position would still be around.
And I believe we the supporters would find ourselves in this position again, after all, the likelihood is that these people will either not have club's best interest at heart or be capable of promoting the club properly and repairing its tarnished reputation.
I believe we should look at the possibility of a Supporters Trust either to take club forward alone, or as an independent body to work with any potential new owners to ensure some stability to make sure this never happens again.
So lets stop contemplating our navals or planning what we will do next summer on Sunday afternoons.
So come on you Dons
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I m sorry folks, but rather than analysing another collapse of the club should nt we be looking at ensuring that it never happens again.
We can argue between ourselves on this site forever with the hope that another consortium or knight in shining armour comes along to save the club. Arguably if this happens there is a very good chance that some of the people who may have got us into this position would still be around.
And I believe we the supporters would find ourselves in this position again, after all, the likelihood is that these people will either not have club's best interest at heart or be capable of promoting the club properly and repairing its tarnished reputation.
I believe we should look at the possibility of a Supporters Trust either to take club forward alone, or as an independent body to work with any potential new owners to ensure some stability to make sure this never happens again.
So lets stop contemplating our navals or planning what we will do next summer on Sunday afternoons.
So come on you Dons'"
There lies the challenge to all Dons supporters.
This lot have failed miserably and the WHOLE management team should
never be given another chance to be involved in Doncaster RLFC again
or any other Rugby League team for that matter[iQuote '" [/iQuote '"
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| i think some of the blame for our plight should fall at the RLs door.surely the people who looked over the clubs business plan should have seen its shortfalls,and advised us that maybe we should stay in DIV2 till they sorted out the clubs problems after CH left.i think someone has said sod it let them go ahead its no skin off our nose.im not willing to let all the blame to be put squarely on the boards shoulders.they gave it ago bless um ,and its been abit over there heads.what evers happened i still admire them for trying.a BIG thanks to them from me for giving it a go
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| Quote ="askernlad"i think some of the blame for our plight should fall at the RLs door.surely the people who looked over the clubs business plan should have seen its shortfalls,and advised us that maybe we should stay in DIV2 till they sorted out the clubs problems after CH left.i think someone has said sod it let them go ahead its no skin off our nose.im not willing to let all the blame to be put squarely on the boards shoulders.they gave it ago bless um ,and its been abit over there heads.what evers happened i still admire them for trying.a BIG thanks to them from me for giving it a go'"
Believe me the RFL would have been ultra careful in giving their approval.
If the current 'team' running the club wish to convince me and others that they are not 100% the problem they should make public the agreed budget and the contracts etc entered into since approval was granted-
i think it could make interesting reading.That is the only way of them being able to be afforded some diluting of the blame.
Sadly i realise weve got no chance of this happening.
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| Quote ="Saynotofranchises"Believe me the RFL would have been ultra careful in giving their approval.
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They obviously were not ultra careful enough in giving their approval--thats a fact.
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| i agree with saynotofrancise the rfl approved a bussiness plan which we was told was all good but if the current board havent stuck to it then how can you blame anyone else?
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| Quote ="insideman"i agree with saynotofrancise the rfl approved a bussiness plan which we was told was all good but if the current board havent stuck to it then how can you blame anyone else?'"
Good post.
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| Quote ="insideman"i agree with saynotofrancise the rfl approved a bussiness plan which we was told was all good but if the current board havent stuck to it then how can you blame anyone else?'"
Did the RFL advise them not to keep up there payments to the inland revenue?
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| Quote ="insideman"i agree with saynotofrancise the rfl approved a bussiness plan which we was told was all good but if the current board havent stuck to it then how can you blame anyone else?'"
It would also be in the supporters interests that confirmation is given that all the staff/players were party to the 25% pay cut some weeks ago.
That includes the officials.
Why do i think this is important?
Because if the cut was across the board(as it should be) at least it shows everyone employed by the club was pulling the same way.
Clarification is ALL that is needed.
If not received,the fans doubts on how the club has been run this season are going to drastically increase.
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