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| Quote ="headhunter"I'm just not sure why you are talking about things that happened 12+ years ago and have absolutely no relevance to this thread or anything else that is happening at the moment. As for people laughing at the system, no, actually the FA were looking to adopt a similar model in the Premiership, which is the strongest league of the most popular sport in the world.
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No they weren't.
There was a rumour going round that the ever growing number of foreign owners wanted to protect their 'investments' in teams and make the Premier League a closed shop. The FA said that this could happen, but only if a majority of teams voted for a rule change to scrap the existing promotion/relegation method. It turned out to be a load of hot air, and no votes were ever asked for, as the owners of Premier League teams didn't want to scrap promotion and relegation.
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| If Harlequins can be a Superleague club so can Doncaster.
As for teams not applying for Superleague, they shouldn't have the choice, or even have to choose for that matter.
If they finish top of the Championship, they are in Superleague whether they like it or not.
How could such as Fev (or Batley for that matter, given some backing .... and they would get Sky money) do much worse than the Crusaders or Harlequins?
Superleague is just like a gentleman's club, if your face fits your in and if it doesn't your out and that is just not fair.
The fact that most clubs won't get there is immaterial, the fact that they realise they probably won't get there is immaterial.
Going back to football, Swansea and Norwich are doing well in the premiership.
It is never certain that they will go straight back down.
And even if they do, the following season could be exciting if they go back up again.
And so it should be in Superleague, not 3 year protectionism.
We could lose any one of Wakefield, Harlequins, Salford or Widnes to be replaced by such as Fev, Halifax, Sheffield or the like and where would be the damage in that?
None!
Someone has to finish bottom and be relegated, not feather-bedded.
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| Quote ="Stand-Offish"If Harlequins can be a Superleague club so can Doncaster.
As for teams not applying for Superleague, they shouldn't have the choice, or even have to choose for that matter.
If they finish top of the Championship, they are in Superleague whether they like it or not.
How could such as Fev (or Batley for that matter, given some backing .... and they would get Sky money) do much worse than the Crusaders or Harlequins?
Superleague is just like a gentleman's club, if your face fits your in and if it doesn't your out and that is just not fair.
The fact that most clubs won't get there is immaterial, the fact that they realise they probably won't get there is immaterial.
Going back to football, Swansea and Norwich are doing well in the premiership.
It is never certain that they will go straight back down.
And even if they do, the following season could be exciting if they go back up again.
And so it should be in Superleague, not 3 year protectionism.
We could lose any one of Wakefield, Harlequins, Salford or Widnes to be replaced by such as Fev, Halifax, Sheffield or the like and where would be the damage in that?
None!
Someone has to finish bottom and be relegated, not feather-bedded.'" could not agree more.
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| If the FA are looking to use the same system as the RFL do you think that all the other league clubs outside of the premiership would allow the FA to do what the RFL have done in the past ie to fast track new teams straight in to the SL or in footballs case straight in to the premiership?
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| Quote ="GeoffRoebuck"If the FA are looking to use the same system as the RFL do you think that all the other league clubs outside of the premiership would allow the FA to do what the RFL have done in the past ie to fast track new teams straight in to the SL or in footballs case straight in to the premiership?'"
It would NEVER happen---and it SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED in the RFL as far as i'm concerned.
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| I am very much in agreement with Geoff, Dragonfan, and Stand-Offish on this one. They make some very good and valid points.
Where are clubs without hope ... and I don't mean hope three years down the line?
It must be soul-destroying for the likes of Featherstone who must prove themselves over three years or more to justify getting promoted. In the mean time they run the risk of losing their better players to Super League which means, in effect, that they have to run like hell to stand still.
The structure of rugby is somewhat different to football in that the teams who are promoted from the Championship to the Premiership are full-time; whereas this doesn't apply in rugby. It wouldn't be good for the game, or the clubs, if the promoted team was almost certain to get relegated, which in most cases is probably what would happen.
Personally, with regards to rugby, I would exempt the promoted side from relegation for one season.
I know this flies in the face of competition but because of the gulf between Super League and Part-time rugby, it is the only realistic way to avoid the straight up, straight down problem.
The present regime of franchises is wrong. It smacks too much of a closed shop. Straight up and straight back down wouldn't be good either. A compromise somewhere in between is necessary.
If we continue to rip the heart out of rugby league amongst the part-time clubs, the game will enter a serious decline. The decline may have already set in but the worst effects won't be felt for some time to come. If the RFL don't recognise the problem very quickly, and do something soon, it could be too late to do anything about it!
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| I think the future of the game would be best served by all teams returning to a part time situation. SL clubs would benefit from vastly reducing their wage bills and it would not become such a massive gap to overcome for any promoted CC side. It would also make it easier for a promoted team to recruit players.
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| Quote ="rupert bear"I think the future of the game would be best served by all teams returning to a part time situation. SL clubs would benefit from vastly reducing their wage bills and it would not become such a massive gap to overcome for any promoted CC side. It would also make it easier for a promoted team to recruit players.'"
I have a lot of sympathy with most of your arguments RB but not this one.
IMO every club should be striving to be professional
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| agreed part time is not the way id rather see everyone fulltime so the game improves throughoutthe leagues not drops standards or one league gets far far superior which is whats happening
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| When we went full time under JCW is was a complete disaster !
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| Quote ="weighman"When we went full time under JCW is was a complete disaster !'"
I think that was more about how it was done, rather than it being done. We had a coach that thought being full time meant getting your players to carry trees up hills all day everyday
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| Quote ="Jemmo"I think that was more about how it was done, rather than it being done. We had a coach that thought being full time meant getting your players to carry trees up hills all day everyday'"
The less said about that period of time the better i'd have thought.
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| we went to big to soon I dont think anyone had done there homework behind the scenes if you know how much contract mney your paying and can budget accordingly on tv money and such like then it can work, the money has to filtered down more fairly not just get a big bulk give it to sl clubs and give rest of leagues pennys how are others ment to compete
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| We were a joke , talked about Super duper League at one meeting and at the next we went bust.
Thank god we are more realistic under the current regime.(that is a complement by the way) !
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| Quote ="mr-rugby"we went to big to soon I dont think anyone had done there homework behind the scenes if you know how much contract mney your paying and can budget accordingly on tv money and such like then it can work, the money has to filtered down more fairly not just get a big bulk give it to sl clubs and give rest of leagues pennys how are others ment to compete'"
We were also crap, which didn't help.
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| dont beat about the bush stand offish, say what you mean ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| tbh crap was putting it mildly - that first cas game was a humiliation, made worse for me as some friends of mine at sixth form had gone as they knew one of the dancers if i remember correctly, I joined the conversation midway through excitedly putting in my two penith thinking I had found fellow fans to talk with only to find out my mistake and try weakly to explain that rugby league isn't normally that bad.
Personally I think we lost many potential fans as a lot of people coming through weren't necessarily rugby league supporters, but they might have been afterwards if we had put on a show (and by that I mean an entertaining match, not all that rubbish beforehand)
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| Quote ="AdamH"tbh crap was putting it mildly - that first cas game was a humiliation, made worse for me as some friends of mine at sixth form had gone as they knew one of the dancers if i remember correctly, I joined the conversation midway through excitedly putting in my two penith thinking I had found fellow fans to talk with only to find out my mistake and try weakly to explain that rugby league isn't normally that bad.
Personally I think we lost many potential fans as a lot of people coming through weren't necessarily rugby league supporters, but they might have been afterwards if we had put on a show (and by that I mean an entertaining match, not all that rubbish beforehand)'"
I cringe when I recall that era.
There were some good individual players, but the side were assembled when the coach was still in Australia, in his absence.
And even with communications with the antipodes, how the hell could he have had any serious input.
So he got a side that someone else assembled to work with and no doubt he quickly regretted that, when he found out that they were far from a cohesive outfit.
Is he still a coach Keiran Dempsey?
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| Quote ="Stand-Offish"Is he still a coach Keiran Dempsey?'"
Was he ever?
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| The RFL can confirm that the Co-operative Rugby League Championship One clubs have agreed their position on promotion at the end of the 2012 season.
Following last year’s strategic review into the Co-operative Championships, all 10 Championship One clubs today voted in favour of having the top four promoted at the end of the 2012 Co-operative Championship One regular season.
This will see the top four teams being promoted into the Championship to form an expanded 14 team division in 2013 meaning that there will be no relegation from the competition in 2012
To determine the Champions of the Co-operative Championship One season, there will be a top six play-off at the end of the campaign with the winners of the Grand Final deemed as champions.
Four new clubs will enter Championship One in 2013. Northampton were announced as one of the four last month and the other three teams will be announced once the due diligence checks are completed.
“It is an exciting time for Rugby League at Co-operative Championships level and the whole sport is looking forward to the new season ahead,” said RFL Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer.
“With the positive structural changes to the season from 2013, every club will be working extremely hard to play their part in the most significant change to Rugby League since the switch to summer in 1996.
“Championship One is expected to be very competitive with every team in the division in with a chance of promotion.”
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| Told you last Friday ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Jemmo"Was he ever?'"
Does anyone remember the chat he had in the stand with Donny Plumber and Dearne Don !!!
I cleared off out of the way! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| I can remember fans shouting at the players at the end of one match & theplayers looking bemused.
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| I can remember someone having a go at me at one of those games where we we got shown up at home, because I said they were rubbish.
He can't have been a true supporter like me.
Mind you, I have learned from several encounters like that one, to not criticise the players.
That's probably why I walk out instead. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
I'm too old for fisty-cuffs.
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| Interesting discussion
Ultimatly the franchise system is flawed, it weakens the clubs outside SL, and weakens the clubs in SL that it purports to protect, RL in this country is dominated by 4/5 clubs, it needs the rest of SL to catch up with them to emulate the NFL/NRL, but the lack of meaningful competition means these clubs wont improve, they effectively have nothing to play for
Meanwhile the clubs outside SL are unable to attract the neccessary investement needed to improve themselves
The whole sport is obsessed with TV money, the governing body also are short sighted in ways of improving the sport outside SL, effectively giving away the Championship coverage for nothing
The governing body will never improve the finances of the Championships , only the clubs can achieve that, until they realise that, decline will continue
As for the OP, it is the fairest way, evn if it makes a mockery of the play offs, effectively making the whole Championship GF s day worthless
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