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| I would guess that with the fans' forum coming up, we won't get to hear of any new signings until then.
Hopefully, they may have a couple of players lined up to be revealed on the night.
If they have, I hope they make an announcement about it soon in order to boost attendance numbers on the night.
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| I've been taking a closer look at the Hull squad to see who might be on Paul Coooke's wanted list.
Firstly, here's a bit of background with regards to rules and regulations:
Only 25 Super League players can be registered to play for a Super League team at any one time. (Rule B.1:icon_cool.gif. Providing medical evidence is provided a player from outside the 25 can be drafted in. (B.1:13).
The rules are slightly different for our league but a 25 man list had to be submitted to the RFL for shirt number purposes but any player on the "training list" is eligible to play. (B.1:11)
There's a maximum of of five dual reg or loan players allowed in any match day 17. Players from Under 17 or Under 18 squads can't be Dual Registered (C.12:23). A Dual Reg agreement may be rescinded at any time.
Hull have already allocated provisional squad numbers to their players. Perhaps we can assume the 1 to 17 are the intended starting line up and won't be coming our way. Of the rest who may be the candidates?
Props: (icon_cool.gif Mickey Paea age 28; (10) Liam Watts age 24; (14) Iafeta Paleaasina age 22; (15) Chris Greed age 24; (22) Josh Bowden age 22; (30) Bobby Tyson-Wilson age 20.
The most likely DR candidate from the group would be[i[u Bobby Tyson-Wilson.[/u[/i He's an England Academy international.
Hookers: (9) Danny Houghton age 26; (23) James Cunningham age 20.
Hull look a bit light in the hooking department. Unless they sign another hooker, as much as I would like it to happen, it's hard to see James Cunningham coming to us.
Second Row/Loose: (11) Gareth Ellis age 33; (12) Mark Minichello age 30; (13) Joe Westerman age 25; (17) Dean Hadley age 22; (16) Jordon Rankin age 23; (21) Richard Whiting age 29; (25) Jansin Turgut age 18; (26) Jack Downs age 19; (2icon_cool.gif Brad Fash age 18.
They seem well-catered for in this area. The three young lads look as though their first team chances could be limited. I don't know anything about the last two lads but[i[u Jansin Turgut[/u[/i could be a good addition for us.
Half-Backs: (6) Leon Price age 33; (7) Marc Sneyd age 23; (17) Jordon Thompson age 23; (29) Harry Tyler-Wilson age 17; (32) Jordon Thompson age 23; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22.
[i[uHarry Tyler-Wilson[/u[/i is thought to be a star of the future. Again first team opportunities could limited. He could do with some game time against the grown ups before playing Super League. I'd guess Hull might be keen for him to come to us. Could we manage with two youngsters (Rich Wilkinson) and HTW playing in the halves? PC shifting to play at 13 in a more central role to guide both of them?
Centres: (3) Setaimata Sa age 27; (4) Kirk Yeaman age 31; (19) Steve Michaels age 27; (24) Jack Logan age 19; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22.
The only candidate for a visit to the Keepmoat could be the young lad [u[iJack Logan[/i[/u. Don't know much about him.
Wing: (2) Tom Lineham age 22; (5) Fetuli Talanoa age 27; (31) Callum Lancaster age 18.
[i[uCallum Lancaster[/u[/i scored a hat-trick of tries against Warrington last season. Unless the main wingers get injured he could be in need of some game time and experience. He'd be an excellent Dual Reg player for us.
Full-Back: (1) Jamie Shaul age 22; (20) Curtis Naughton age 19; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22
I'm not sure we have a vacancy at full-back with Tom Carr coming and Dave Scott as cover.
Hull look to have plenty of cover in the back row but we have plenty of players ourselves for those positions.
=#0000BFThe most likely candidates for Dual Reg appear to be:
=#FF0000Prop: Bobby Tyson-Wilson: =#FF0000Back Row: Jansin Turgut: =#FF0000Half Back: Harry Tyson-Wilson: =#FF0000Wing: Callum Lancaster.
These lads could offer some potential pace and class to our squad.
What do the Hull FC fans think? Who would you like to see get some first team experience at the Dons?
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| Excellent post fella
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| Thanks Jemmo! ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Double Movement"I've been taking a closer look at the Hull squad to see who might be on Paul Coooke's wanted list.
Firstly, here's a bit of background with regards to rules and regulations:
Only 25 Super League players can be registered to play for a Super League team at any one time. (Rule B.1:icon_cool.gif. Providing medical evidence is provided a player from outside the 25 can be drafted in. (B.1:13).
The rules are slightly different for our league but a 25 man list had to be submitted to the RFL for shirt number purposes but any player on the "training list" is eligible to play. (B.1:11)
There's a maximum of of five dual reg or loan players allowed in any match day 17. Players from Under 17 or Under 18 squads can't be Dual Registered (C.12:23). A Dual Reg agreement may be rescinded at any time.
Hull have already allocated provisional squad numbers to their players. Perhaps we can assume the 1 to 17 are the intended starting line up and won't be coming our way. Of the rest who may be the candidates?
Props: (icon_cool.gif Mickey Paea age 28; (10) Liam Watts age 24; (14) Iafeta Paleaasina age 22; (15) Chris Greed age 24; (22) Josh Bowden age 22; (30) Bobby Tyson-Wilson age 20.
The most likely DR candidate from the group would be[i[u Bobby Tyson-Wilson.[/u[/i He's an England Academy international.
Hookers: (9) Danny Houghton age 26; (23) James Cunningham age 20.
Hull look a bit light in the hooking department. Unless they sign another hooker, as much as I would like it to happen, it's hard to see James Cunningham coming to us.
Second Row/Loose: (11) Gareth Ellis age 33; (12) Mark Minichello age 30; (13) Joe Westerman age 25; (17) Dean Hadley age 22; (16) Jordon Rankin age 23; (21) Richard Whiting age 29; (25) Jansin Turgut age 18; (26) Jack Downs age 19; (2icon_cool.gif Brad Fash age 18.
They seem well-catered for in this area. The three young lads look as though their first team chances could be limited. I don't know anything about the last two lads but[i[u Jansin Turgut[/u[/i could be a good addition for us.
Half-Backs: (6) Leon Price age 33; (7) Marc Sneyd age 23; (17) Jordon Thompson age 23; (29) Harry Tyler-Wilson age 17; (32) Jordon Thompson age 23; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22.
[i[uHarry Tyler-Wilson[/u[/i is thought to be a star of the future. Again first team opportunities could limited. He could do with some game time against the grown ups before playing Super League. I'd guess Hull might be keen for him to come to us. Could we manage with two youngsters (Rich Wilkinson) and HTW playing in the halves? PC shifting to play at 13 in a more central role to guide both of them?
Centres: (3) Setaimata Sa age 27; (4) Kirk Yeaman age 31; (19) Steve Michaels age 27; (24) Jack Logan age 19; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22.
The only candidate for a visit to the Keepmoat could be the young lad [u[iJack Logan[/i[/u. Don't know much about him.
Wing: (2) Tom Lineham age 22; (5) Fetuli Talanoa age 27; (31) Callum Lancaster age 18.
[i[uCallum Lancaster[/u[/i scored a hat-trick of tries against Warrington last season. Unless the main wingers get injured he could be in need of some game time and experience. He'd be an excellent Dual Reg player for us.
Full-Back: (1) Jamie Shaul age 22; (20) Curtis Naughton age 19; (32) Jordon Rankin age 22
I'm not sure we have a vacancy at full-back with Tom Carr coming and Dave Scott as cover.
Hull look to have plenty of cover in the back row but we have plenty of players ourselves for those positions.
=#0000BFThe most likely candidates for Dual Reg appear to be:
=#FF0000Prop: Bobby Tyson-Wilson: =#FF0000Back Row: Jansin Turgut: =#FF0000Half Back: Harry Tyson-Wilson: =#FF0000Wing: Callum Lancaster.
These lads could offer some potential pace and class to our squad.
What do the Hull FC fans think? Who would you like to see get some first team experience at the Dons?'"
As Jemmo says , good post that mate!
The list you have there for the most likely candidates for DR are realistic but they are more young inexperienced lads to go with our young inexperienced lads. This makes me think that any signings we do make from now on have to be players who have been around the block and have plenty of seasons under their belt.
Also if Iafeta Paleaasina is 22 then im a chinaman! He was playing for the Pies years ago when he was a fat lad!
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| I agree, we don't need more young lads at all.
The Hull players that came and changed games for us last term were the established ones like Crooks and Whiting.
Once we lost them we were pants, as the play-offs showed.
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| Well spotted Karlos.
Paleaasina was born on 10th February 1983 - which makes him 31.
I'd actually typed his age as Josh Bowden's squad number. I'd got them next to each other on my piece of paper as I made my notes and got them mixed up! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| In Carl's latest "In The Dugout" interview, he's hinted that there may be some new players for us to meet at the fans' forum:
[urlhttp://www.doncasterrugbyleague.co.uk/article/41301/in-the-dugout-with-carl[/url
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| Whilst I think Lancaster is probably the most likely, I agree that, with all the youngsters the Dons have signed, it would seem a backward step to give Hulls youngsters game time over our own. Would actually prefer it if we stood on our own, but may be tied to some agreement to play Hull players.
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| i think we should keep away from D/R
just causes trouble we don't need. We've got plenty of young players to bring on ourselves.
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| Quote ="onedon"i think we should keep away from D/R
just causes trouble we don't need. We've got plenty of young players to bring on ourselves.'"
As well as the announcement during the week that Club Doncaster will be starting a rugby academy next year, with the aim of running it alongside the Dons..
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| Four Hull lads in the England Academy squad:
[urlhttp://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-lads-England-Academy-squad-face-Australia/story-24984077-detail/story.html[/url
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| Some good players there, but I worry that, should we rely on Hull players to make up a strong squad, what will happen when the split comes, with both sides,potentially, in the same 8. Don't think Hull would offer much help then, which , like last season, would leave us short when it matters.
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| It'll be interesting to hear what Paul Cooke has to say about DR for 2015 at the Dons' forum.
Maybe if Hull and the Dons ended up in the middle eight together, Hull would want us to have plenty of players from them to help beat the opposition unless we were actually playing them!
I'd like to see Hull have a good season and make the Super League top eight. Last season was a tough season for them. Now is probably the time for them to kick on under Lee Radford.
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| It was said once again on the in the dugout with Carl Hall that there may be a surprise at the forum. Fingers crossed its the kind we want.
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| Is DR still happening with Hull and Donny?
If so I reckon you could get some top young players who now can't play in the 19's
Props Bowden and Bobby Tyson-Wilson
Backrow Hadley
FB or wing Chris Naughton
Not sure if Radford will send out a couple of players who can play 19's in order to toughen them up.
Hopefully we won't play you in the middle 8, so it won't be a concern, on paper we have a good side and finally some decent halfs, lets just hope we can do it on the pitch.
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| I don't think you will get many of our young under 19 stars as the club has made it known they want to win the u19 competition next season.
I think you will get Rich Whiting,Dean Hadley regularly subject to HFC Player Injuries/loss of form and if we can keep our props injury free you will probably see Josh Bowden or Chris Green both strong young props.
HFC have signed Curtis Naughton a young 19 year old who played last season in Australia who is a fast wing/fullback and Radford may want to keep him fit so he could be another on D/R
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| Jack Downs (Hull squad number 26), and Jansin Turgut (number 25) are second-row forwards whilst Brad Fash (number 2icon_cool.gif is a loose forward.
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| We seem well-catered for in the positions these guys play in with Steve Snitch, Pas, Lee Waterman, Craig Robinson, and Mike Kelly to name a few.
I'm still concerned that whilst we've replaced Mark Castle we've not improved the depth in our prop department. The injury to Brett Waller was telling last season. If we were to lose any of our front line men, we could be caught short again.
Maybe PC is quite happy that Hull will be able to help cover us with the likes of Chris Green if need be, although Chris did go on loan to Fev last season when we could have perhaps done with him here.
Jansin Turgut does seem like a class act. I think he would definitely add something to our pack. From an experience point of view, Richard Whiting is the guy that could really make a difference if he's not going to get a regular place in the Hull team.
Are any of our new lads likely to become the next Tom Hodson? With Dave Scott having to stay at full-back, have we got the lads to give us enough pace out wide?
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| Seems like a total waste to me - there are clear areas in our squad where we lack depth being hooker, prop and possibly wing/ fullback. However with 8 backrowers in our squad (Emmet, Kelly, Dunn, Snitch, Foster, Robinson, Waterman and Palmer) it seems this is a position we are well covered for. No disrespect to these lads mentioned but I seriously hope we can get others instead in positions we are more sorely lacking in. Again no disrespect to these lads who I'm sure are quality players but looking at the make up of our squad more backrowers seem surplus to requirements and if they do come in to replace some of ours it seems a bit unfair to whoever ends up bottom of the pecking order.
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| Well if you make the top 4 and Hull FC make bottom 4 in SL I think we will see DR at its worst. Teams in the same comp sharing players? DR is no longer fit for purpose
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Well if you make the top 4 and Hull FC make bottom 4 in SL I think we will see DR at its worst. Teams in the same comp sharing players? DR is no longer fit for purpose'"
While I agree in sentiment in our case I don't anticipate this being an issue as with the number of full time teams next year I don't see us making the top 4.
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| In theory, the idea of closer ties between Super League clubs and lower division clubs was a good one when DR was first introduced. Now that it's possible for the two clubs to be playing in the same league, it begs the question as to whether it continues to be viable in its current form.
I don't think we can get too pedantic about the idea of clubs [unot[/u being allowed to "share players" if they're in the same league because this already happens with the loan system. Numerous players went on loan from one Super League club to another Super League club in 2014. The loan system isn't going to stop even if DR does.
Getting the correct balances between the rights of the loaning club and fair play for the club lending the player is difficult because the loaning club will always feel they have the right to recall "their" player at any time, whilst the club lending the player want to have some stability to the loan period.
Whether the system remains under the name of DR or whether it is replaced by a loan system only, the RFL needs to address this issue.
I would abolish the DR system as we know it. I would limit loan players to two at any one club at any given time. The period of the loan must be for a minimum of 28 days. A player could only be recalled to the parent club if medical evidence was accepted by the RFL to show the parent club had injuries that warranted the player being recalled.
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| Quote ="Double Movement"In theory, the idea of closer ties between Super League clubs and lower division clubs was a good one when DR was first introduced. Now that it's possible for the two clubs to be playing in the same league, it begs the question as to whether it continues to be viable in its current form.
I don't think we can get too pedantic about the idea of clubs [unot[/u being allowed to "share players" if they're in the same league because this already happens with the loan system. Numerous players went on loan from one Super League club to another Super League club in 2014. The loan system isn't going to stop even if DR does.
Getting the correct balances between the rights of the loaning club and fair play for the club lending the player is difficult because the loaning club will always feel they have the right to recall "their" player at any time, whilst the club lending the player want to have some stability to the loan period.
Whether the system remains under the name of DR or whether it is replaced by a loan system only, the RFL needs to address this issue.
I would abolish the DR system as we know it. I would limit loan players to two at any one club at any given time. The period of the loan must be for a minimum of 28 days. A player could only be recalled to the parent club if medical evidence was accepted by the RFL to show the parent club had injuries that warranted the player being recalled.'"
I like this approach in particular the necessity for medical evidence needed - just out of interest where would you stand on the loan rules that occasionally ban players for appearing against their parent club? Personally in line with the medical necessity bit to prevent you from deliebrately hamstringing your rivals I wouldn't mind seeing the ability to put that into loan agreements revoked so its an all or nothing affair ie. a season long loan would be for the season. Also should the player on a season long loan be injured, should the injury not keep him out all season I'd like to see him return to the loaned club rather than as sometimes seems to happen the loan be cancelled as he goes back to the parent club for treatment and then does not end up back with the loan club again.
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