Pretty much.

A dishonest, lying organisation we are unfortunate as a sport to be lumbered with.

Under the current pointing system our ground scores the same as Cas and Salford! Thats the system as you say! Wakefield are the most resiliant club in SL history, do you really think we will go that easy!



If Wakey, Cas and Salford get there new stadiums, who exactly do you expect to replace??? Maybe Wrexham but defiantly none of us others.

Could any of you really say on hand on heart you want us, Salford and Cas to all get our grounds?? It's not in your interest for all of us to get our ground.

This is what the franchise system does, it creates bitterness between fans. At least it was done fair and square on the pitch no one could complain, well nobody except yourself

Can you provide some evidence of that accusation? I bet you can't.

And you're here giving it a helping hand.

I personally think we would still be better than all those clubs, whether they get a stadium or not. Plus, like it or not, one of you are gone in 2012. None of these clubs, with the possible exception of Cas, would be able to put together a better bid, after spending 4 - 6 years in the lower leagues, than Widnes can. That is a measure of our strength in a process that will heavily favour SL clubs.

There are none so bitter as the starter of this thread.

It's not so much the "lie" but the over-egged confidence of getting the stadium done - as the rticle below suggests.

[urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/7509659.stm[/url

Here's a snippet:

[uGeneral Manager Francis Stephenson:July 2008:[/u
=#0000FF"I think currently we are fine with what we have at Belle Vue to get the franchise.

"We have improved the stadium in order to match the criteria for now, namely increasing the capacity to 12,000.

"[size=150But certainly for the next franchise bid in three years we will need to be in or at least very close to opening the doors of a new stadium[/size."

What d'ya reckon to that last sentence? His words, no-one elses.

I still fail to spot the lie!!!!!

At the current situation stands we are the strongest out of all. I fail to see how many in this thread think we are the most vulnerable considering we are well placed to win the extra franchise point through our league position finishes.

I opened my post with "It's not so much the "lie"........." so i agree. It wasn't a lie. It was a hope. A bid placed on a hope. A hope that hasn't materialised. The RFL should forget hopes and instead they should insist on travelling to the stadiums, walking inside them and having a good feel of bricks and mortar before awarding any points that count toward a franchise bid.

Until it is actually started , let alone built , it is neither the truth or a lie , it is just a piece of paper , it's worth is that of a piece of paper , you are fortunate that you have 18 months to start building , Leigh were building for over 12 months before the decision and it was still taken out of our bid , you already being in SL should see it included , as long as it is started

When it is , come back on this board and you will recieve warm congratulations

Do you mean stadium wise? No your not. All three of you are neither in front nor behind each other. Drawings are drawings.

On the staduim we are all on an equal footing, that I agree with. If you read my post again and try and take what I said, we are on for a average top 8 finish which would give us an extra franchise point. Please try and pay attention

So we agree it wasn't a lie, thank you. Maybe it would be best avoided using such dramatic terminology as it does your credibility no good.

I never said it was a lie numbnuts. Someone else did. Read the thread again and try and improve YOUR credibility.

The only bitterness seems to be coming from a minority of bottom twitching fans who feel that their super league future is in doubt and who feel the need to come on here shouting abuse at us about how resilient they are in super league and how they'll not be removed from Super League so easily and how we've no right to assume that we deserve a chance. You keep up with that argument if it somehow makes you feel a little more comfortable with your club's precarious situation.

Agreed. One point for stable performances. I've never said that [uwasn't[/u the case. You pay attention.

What do you hope to achieve on this board with your trolling?

:q1mb71fu are not in competition with Wakefield , we are in competition with each other , you are in competition with other SL clubs , but even that competition is skewed because of location , anyway Mr hell , I'm tired of explaining stuff as you dont seem able to grasp the concepts we are making , all the best , I'll give it a rest now

To break down Steve O'Connor's will. He reads these boards. He must be completely re-thinking his application after DeeHell's timely intervention into the Franchise debate.

I've displayed no bitterness what so ever, I've had much bitterness directed at me including name calling that you are now resorting to.

You know your winning the argument when people start calling instead of debating!



The truth is I have come out with what is an unpopular opinion amongst Widnes fans. Some people need to look up the word forum in a dictionary.

That's it then, we're doooomed!


Ah well, at least we'll survive in this league. I'm not too sure poor old Wakey could anymore.

No, you're just being a crying @rse.

You obviously have no idea what is happening at Widnes, and what we have in place. It isn't just about the stadium.

I was coming out with a fair opinion regarding P/R and franchising. As a passionate supporter of P/R I was hoping someone would give a good counter argument. That sadly has not materialized and if anything has made me more convinced that my opinion is the strongest.

And same could be said about you and Wakefield, but it didn't stop you voicing an opinion!