That would be two players from the lower leagues, can't be right we don't bothering looking there!

theres some cracking talent in the lower leagues more clubs should be looking

They'll have to now mate, the players with dispensation from the 2008 rule will soon retire.

He's not to keen on the commute over by all accounts . I'm surprised Widnes haven't chucked their hat in the ring aswell . He sounds a decent player though.

Yeah, the Saints poster on here the other day was saying the same.
But, as he said, can car share with Longy and Gleeson. I can see Longy getting a similar deal to Deacon at Wigan.

Pay as you don't play?

As for the leigh player, no point in signing a youngster who doesn't want to move across

Was thinking more of a player/coach.

It's up to the club to persuade him to move over. We don't know his personal circumstances.

If he can't be ar$ed trvaelling 1 1/2 hours each way then I don't want him, in fact, it's time we went back to players living within 30 minutes of training, we're being far too soft IMHO.

I don't know players would want to spend 3-4 hours a day travelling anyway.

We don't know his circumstances, maybe he is in education and wants to finish off his course ?

My point exactly. A bloke at the end of his career I can understand not wanting to uproot his family, but a youngster with an opportunity to play at a big club should be moving closer. If he doesn't want to then is the move really for him? Plus with training 3 or 4 times a week he could be doing an extra 15 or so hours a week sat in a car

Sorry I don't see the problem, if he wants to be a pro player and has ambition then 12 hours a week commuting isn't hard. I commute to work now and it takes me 1 hour each way 5 days a week for about £12k a year. Surely anyone with ambition would be willing to car share and commute with 2 very experienced internationals and use to time to cherry pick knowldge.

If not, then there is no point even looking at him we should keep Obst and Long (p/t).

Indeed, some people are far too quick to make excuses for what are meant to be professional people, I earn a good wage, but to earn it I have to "inconvenience" myself to varying degrees via travel, odd hours etc.

I choose to earn probably 10k less than I could to stay local. You seem to be judging ambition by monetary means. If his ambition is to be a SL player maybe he feels he can achieve it closer to home.

With Wigan, St's or Wire? or is settling for Widnes showing ambition in your eyes.

Is settling for FC and a 2hr commute ambition in your eyes? Maybe his ambition is higher than FC?

quite right mate but also,

I know of many players past & present at Toulouse and the LER who have been offered seemingly better offers from english clubs (including at least one SL club) but when the sums have been done it actually works out a worse deal when things like a car & accommodation etc are taken into account.So they are better of staying in france.
That's not to mention the lads who choose to remain in france,worse off because of the quality of life etc.

sometimes 'ambition' and what may be is disregarded for the more practical things in life...

your not wrong,

Which is what I've said. If the kid wants to play for us he'll move

exactly !

If we sign him I'd like to see him move over. Prefer that with younger players it helps their development and we can keep a closer eye out. The older guys are a different kettle of fish although it's obviously better to have them in Hull if possible. Ellis certainly seems to be well thought of at Leigh. If he wants to play pro SL he should get across to Hull and put all his efforts into achieving it.

if hull do sign ellis it doesnt bode well for williams.would it also mean we are not in the market for an aussie halfback?

Given the new, vastly increased salary cap in AUS, I think you're really going to struggle to get any players (esp decent halfs) of any worth over now.

Williams is still only young, only 18.

It could also mean that we could Chasing a quota 6 as well?

chase would be nice