But were were the Americans when the IRA were terrorising Britain? Now someones done it to them we all have to stand together and fight it!
If we want to get rid of these vile people why are we looking in a country were everyone knows there not there?

Greed, it doesn't matter what the commodity is, remember, we did it for FISH!

The IRA didnt have the ability to drive up the price of oil or stop the supply alltogether did they. Thats the difference.

Eta for example had blown up the twin towers America wouldnt have invaded the northern region of spain.

Fine line between greed and the fear of supply of oil been cut off or over priced.

Still we can use words like Empire and Conquered in Darius's reign.

I can't remember us invading anywhere for fish.

Cod war ?

Quite true, but what's in Afghanistan for us? Heroin? And don't get me started on my theories of the twin towers!

This thread has gone sin bin but here's my call.

I have worked with a eurovision worth of nationalalties, some good some bad, one of my mates at the last place of work was a pole who was great fun and goaded us about footy.
I am not bothered about who comes in and works or lives as long as they contribute, appressed people aside.
My thoughts are these.
If I went to live and work in another country I would do the following, Learn to speak the language (night classes) abide by the rules and regulations of the land and regardless of my religion, not shove it down anyone elses throat .
Not difficult in this country surely.
Try Aussie, I have, they are strict!

Skirmish's off Iceland,hardly an invasion.

Afganistan is a major trade route isnt it? Heard something about oil too but not sure tbf. May have just been George Bush wanting a fight.

So you wouldn't like sharia(sp) law used in some circumstances!

Not a law in this country as far as I know.

Use it as much as they like in a Muslim country.

Should it be recognised though? And used?

I'm in no way saying it should be used, just curious I suppose.

Are you serious! no.

Can you imagine the chaos it would cause of having two separate laws in one country.

Could we use Christian laws in a Muslim country,i think not.

In my experience you respect and abide and respect the laws of the country you are in or have 2 choices...fall foul of the law or leave.....simples.
This from someone who managed to get banged up in Nigeria....not good.

Very fair point of view and one I share.

funnily enough we do, with the government allowing the muslims to set up a form of shariah court to apply shariah law in regards to divorce and inheritance.

Crikey - and I thought I was a grumpy old pessimist.





There are a wealth of reasons why we have the problems in society that we have now. Not all of them are down to the actions (or inactions) of Government and none of them are the inevitable result of a liberal society. The growth of an ignorant and idle underclass is nothing new - it was a huge issue in Vctorian times for example, and that can hardly be classed as a liberal society.

You've obviously never heard of Beth Din then, it's only been operational in this country for the last 300 years or so

The responsibility for basic subsistence remains with the home state rather than the host state. EU immigrants without jobs qualify for a small number of non-contributory benefits that have practically zero impact on the UK economy. It really isn't the issue that the tabloids would have you believe.


I'm also pro reform of the welfare system. However, I have yet to hear a scheme that doesn't also penalise those individuals who genuinely need support through no fault of their own. There is no simple solution that's fair and equitable to everyone.