we may not of had the opportunity to sign him.

Crock -adile dykes. Took us to wembley

I for one hope you are right. As I said earlier I see Horne back equal to a new signing I think we missed him more then most last season.

Thats the thing, he is only 'decent.' And with the kicking thing, we have always been weak against teams with a good kicker. O'Neil won games single handedly for Widnes against us with his kicking.
Thorman is alright but he wasn't what we needed. Agar says he isn't going to rush into signings but to me it looks like he has done there as I can't see how Thorman has given any evidence in his many seasons playing RL, that he is good enough for a top 4 team

Well i may as well go and get my money back off my pass as we are doomed to failure...............how anybody can say how we are going to play is frigging beyond me....yes there are faults with the team that have been here since Mcrae left and succesive coaches havent rectified it..some made it worse.

Payers are not available and it we make a signing for the sake of it,everybody on here will be up in arms as to why we have got medicroty again......suggesting we should have got Ryles instead of Crocker is a good example.....we didnt know then that Carvell was going to dick us around and Crocker was available and we got him.How was we to know Carvell was going to act the 2@...if we had hung on and missed out on them both...jesus it would have been meltdown on here.

He is a damn site more decent than what we do have......who else was out there...Carney yes but he brings a lot of baggage and may get banged up yet.

What did we need then?

lets try again lewis.

we needed a half back WHO ELSE WAS AVAILABLE

Like we rushed into signing a crock last season.

who hardly ever trained,were is he now,oh yeh the coach got rid

I'm not saying he is better than what we had as such. But Agar says he is only going to sign the right players, and if those right players aren't available then signings won't be made. And I can't see how Thorman is the right player. Yes, I know he could end up been a great signing or whatever and I'd be over the mood with that, but I doubt he will.
If there aren't any players out there good enough to help take us back up to the top 4 then then Agar should stick to his word and not sign them.
From the way things are at the moment, I would have preferred Washy at 6 and Horne at 7 until the right player became available and used the wages spent on Thorman to help bring that player in.
And with Carney, I would have taken a risk. Manu has previous and we signed him, look at how he has turned out. Thats just an example of how things can turn out for the better. We came 11th last year and if taking us up the league means taking a risk or two with the likes of Carney then I wouldn't have complained

I don't think we did rush into that, I just think it was a risk that didn't pay off

We didnt rush into signing Dykes we got bullied into signing him by his agent who is the best in the business.

It doesn't matter who is available, its about whether they are right for the team. Imo, Thorman isn't the right man and until I am proven wrong by his performances, I will say that we should have waited to sign someone who is the right man, whether that was this off-season, during this coming season, or for 2010.

Didnt we also miss out on big name 7's prior to his signing?

You ever thought Agar MIGHT think Thorman is the right player for the team.

So you would play a 13 at 6 and a 6 at 7....we would be back to square one as neither of them are organising halfs.


Agar wasnt my 1st choice but he will get my backing....think i'll trust his judgement on players in stead of people in the crowd who think they know it all.

To be fair, our half-back combo of Cooke and Horne and how well it worked didnt mean we needed to exactly push the boat out to sign a 7, although I remember at the time that many people disagreed with that opinion

Nope Mimmis represents both Kimmorley and Dykes so he was playing them against each other when dealing with the club. When Sherwin was 'officially' available a time limit got put in place for us to offer Dykes a deal which we did.

fair point mate.

you just seem very negative thats all,give agar and the lads a chance.a ball has even been kicked yet,i just think agar and sharp will prove many supporters wrong,your entitled to your opinions.

Sorry..i bow to your superior knowledge of the grat game that is played in OZ......where is Sherwin again...

Cooke had left and we went for Monaghan first didnt we?

read my last post



Where is Matty Head btw

I actually forgot about Monaghan but i think us missing out on him was more to do with us not been able to match the spending power of Wire.

I arent that quick at reading and typing...

Horne, while 7 isn't his best position, has proved he can play at 7 more than Thorman has proved he can. Thorman has started 5 games at 7 since coming back from Aus for the 2005 season, so not sure how you can use that arguement. Plus, Agar played Radford at 13 a lot last year and imo that really is a crap position for him.
And saying you will trust him. Well you have just slagged off the signing of Dykes, would you say that Sharp was right in signing him? Or would you stick to your opinion on the player as one of the people in the crowd?