Dont get peoples dejection. Hes making the council out to be a load of useless numpties. Thats hardly gonna go down well in his quest for ownership of the KC is it

In my view he has taken the opinion that the council set up the SMC in the first place as they were scared to death of being left with a massive drain on council funds. He knows they have know appetite to take it back, especially if it is perceived to be loss making. Imagine the uproar if HCC have to cut budgets to front line services to prop up a loss making stadium for two sports teams to play in. To say the current losses at the SMC have been engineered is an understatement.

They should take it back - say to him that he shouldnt have to absorb the costs. Then they can get sponsorship for the Arena at a decent rate to attract sponsors, and rent out office space for the unused units. Put various events on at the stadium etc to generate income. Easy

Crafty from Allam

Use a relatively minor issue in terms of pictures around the place, get you lot booting off so all the media looks into it then come out with this statement citing bigger issues

Very crafty

Yeah i get that the council wouldn't want it but this must be the only smc is the country thats losing money.
But i'd guess that an independently ran smc would make a profit.

I'd love to see what this £3.5m was spent on in the stadium.

Its quite an interesting release.

The Council should see that the SMC is in fact keeping the burden of cost for them whilst maintaining their asset to the gold standard required.
Thats not something the Allams really want to do.

What is the SMC mortgaged to the tune of £3.5m for? It can't be secured against the stadium or other facilities as they don't own them. Is the £3.5m mortgage Hull City's against the user agreement? If so, there is confusion here between the two companies. OR has the SMC mortgaged future income from the sponsorship deal with KC - which seems more feasible.

Our user agreement sees us getting the facility at less than the SMC want, but they cannot do anything about that.

In the meantime, we have to ensure we do nothing that harms our club and continues to fend off the SMC.

Possibly. But if you want to build wider support, I'm not sure such open hostility to the council (or media) is politic. Anger motivates your base, diplomacy wins over the 'don't knows'.

This. If the only bone of contention is the removal of JW's memorabilia, let us (the fans) pay it as a gift to the great man. As Mick Cranes Sidestep says, the Allams are subsidising us and will obviously not want this to continue, but can do nothing about it. As the old saying goes "softly, softly catchee monkey".

I feel AP is keeping quiet as he will be very familiar with the SMC and its finances and may be subject to a personal silencing order following leaving their employ.

Too many smokescreens and mirrors.

I will watch this play out and see what happens.

Since the HDM won't press our case (obviously they need to be impartial), why don't we get in touch with the rugby press to push our case? Do a bit of investigating or just raise awareness.

I'm pretty sure that if League Weekly or League Express ran a story and included a free Johnny Whitely card cut-out mask, they'd see huge sales increases throughout Hull/East Yorkshire! Win for them (more sales), win for us (more awareness via rugby press and masks to use in protest!).

given that our own club, nor the Council, appear to have any appetite for this, we may as well leave it here, before any one of us individuals ends up in trouble.

Speak for yaself bud

A rugby paper honouring a rugby legend isn't exactly going to cause trouble, is it?

As long as they aren't physically telling people what to do with the mask, no-one can get into trouble!

Time for a Lloyd style protest?

Maybe all the tickes for his squash thing should be bought by us, smuggle some mini rugby balls in and Whitley masks...........

FC have tried to renegotiate the temrs we pay a few times and to help with tickets promos etc and have been told to 'do one' by the SMC, whe were more than happy because to the money they were raking in when our crowds were up

Now theyre around 2k or so down on what we was getting, thats a lot of money the SMC are missing and they want to change it

A total boycott of sales in and around the ground should be our first line of protest as as already been mooted. The Allams through the SMC own the catering franchise so start to hit them there.

I would love for us, the fans, to get the money together to replace the memorabilia in the JW suite. The great man deserves it. Perhaps FC Voices could organise something?

Just a thought...

IF the SMC was independent and we were still offered the picture agreement would we thing this would be an easier pill to swallow?

Whichever way you look at this taking down the images of people who suites are named after is wrong!

Is the problem with the SMC down to previous owners and another mess Allams are trying to sort out? Increasing revenue I guess is vital however, there must have been other strategies that could have been used first without putting rent up, creating additional costs for tenants or being given the land for development.

Not only are you illiterate, judging by your poorly constructed posts, but you appear to lack any form of reading skills.

The SMC get a rental income. Most of which is fixed from two tenants. If they set that rent under the running costs then that's poor management on their part. Now, considering the rent agreements have been revised since the original agreements, and that the Allams took on theses (or were involved in revising them) it would appear they are not quite as business savvy as some would like to make out.

Also, if they have lost rental income, why not utilize the stadium with other events (concerts etc)

But I doubt your bright enough to think that laterally

I could be wrong, but I thought that the ‘business rates’ are levied to each business tenant separately, and not to the SMC wholly?

The rates are calculated to the size of the rented area x the rent value.

Unless the lease is locked to include rates and rent:
FC will have their business rates according to the rentable value. City will have their rates according to the rentable value, and the SMC will have their rates according to the rentable value.

Do the SMC actually rent any space at the KC?

The fact they are NOT independent is and always will be the problem for me.

BUT. I want to know that we are treat fairly and with the same terms as Hull City FC. This means that they should currently be charged the same amount for displaying there pictures where ours should be.

If not that is clear discrimination.

Quote ="The wrong Messiah"A total boycott of sales in and around the ground should be our first line of protest as as already been mooted. The Allams through the SMC own the catering franchise so start to hit them there.'" these hold the catering franchise www.spotless.com/uk/Food/venues/KC-Stadium.htm

Quote ="The wrong Messiah"A total boycott of sales in and around the ground should be our first line of protest as as already been mooted. The Allams through the SMC own the catering franchise so start to hit them there.'" these hold the catering franchise www.spotless.com/uk/Food/venues/KC-Stadium.htm

The problem is; 90% of what he pays from Hull City stays with him as owner of the SMC with the other 10% (profit) going to the HCC or none if he 'claims' the company is loss making.. If FC pay the same then he gets our 90% thus us facing the highest bill..

My suggestion would be that if the SMC is such a burden and 'loss making' to him, then give (or sell) the company to someone independent to run. Bet he won't go for it!!

Also, I don't think FC or the fans should offer to pay anything for these pictures. Why line his pockets? Hit him in the pocket!! Don't pay for the pictures and don't buy anything in the ground. Maximise OUR tenancy and milk it as much as we can to our advantage without paying ANYTHING we don't need to!!

But "the community" paying £500 to have pictures of a local hero displayed in a community stadium...it really doesn't show the SMC in a good light even in the eyes of a neutral

Had another reply from Councillor Sheila Waudby this time simply saying she agrees with me as does Terry Geraghty and to also contact Steve Brady whoch i already have.