Bradford still haven't got a decent halfback.

Not last season he wasn't or even the year before that.

What position did Berrigan play when he won the Clive Churhill medal?

For what ever reason apart from his first season he hasn't performed for Hull (who cares about what he did is the NRL, it's no good to us) in the hooking position, looked a lot better at centres last season.

He won it at Hooker.

He played in the centres for 2 games last season IIRC, so that's 3 times in all his Hull career. Hardly basis for an informed opinion. Houghton was very average last season until Berrigan got injured at Leeds (something a lot forget), when Berrigan came back he [ihad[/i to play in the backs due to Whiting's injury.
Berrigan suffers from one problem it seems, he's not Richard Swain.

Name at least 3 games where Berrigan has not being average at Hooker...imo he has not looked like a first class player in any position since playing for Hull FC.

His form apart from the first season has nothing but average, no where near good enough for a player with his experience and wage, if he plays there next season he really needs to step up.

Houghton form improved when he got more minutes and teh starting hooking position, to me it looks like Berrigan was holding him back.

On paper Berrigan maybe a better hooker but he hasn't shown in the last 2 years.

Berrigan also didn't get moved to centre to cover whiting, Whiitng got injured before we started to play Berrigan at centre, he was moved there to replace Turner.

Spot on Dave.

For me it's simply:
In Oz Berro was a world class 9. In Oz Berro was a world class centre
At Hull Berro has been mostly average at 9. At Hull Berro has had limited chance to show what he can do at centre but has looked world class in patches there.

Simple outcome for me based on the observations above.

Berro may have won a Clive Churchill medal at 9, but he also played the bulk of his rugby at Brisbane in the centres and won various awards there too. The most impressive thing was his try scoring record and his assists as a centre.

Quite frankly, that's a stupid comment.

Which games were these then? Because you must of been watching a different team to me.

Just for the record, how have we done with Berrigan at Centre? Have we won a game? No. Has he scored? No. Did he have an assist in a try? No. So it's hardly a simple outcome.
Could any of Berrigans poor performances be down to the fact he was playing in a Shiite team for 2 years? Or did we want him to single handidly drag us up the table? The argument about his wage etc. etc. is a non-starter.

I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo.



How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done.


So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.

In your opinion...imo Berro is average, not one match can I recall him looking world class, though no doubt he takes a world class wage packet every week!

I agree Houghton was average though he came into his own middle to back end of the season,my point is I have not seen that kind of display from Berro at hooker.

Whilst we're arguing over Berro, iirc he's only started 1 game for us at centre.

Quote ="east hull FC fan"I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo. How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done. So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.'" No, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet? Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull. Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me. Your right about Berrigan being better though. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Quote ="east hull FC fan"I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo. How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done. So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.'" No, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet? Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull. Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me. Your right about Berrigan being better though. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

To say Houghton has had an average season is a truly mind-boggling comment to make IMO.

He's 22, on the fringes of international representation, already pushing 100 first grade SL appearances and is really showing himself to be an established and exciting hooker.

If he doesn't get the 9 shirt this season I will be gutted for him.

does anyone no when the sqaud number's are out, then i can nip to the k.c for the name and number on the bk of my fc shirt

Quote ="Dave K."=#0000FFNo, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet? Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull. Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me. Your right about Berrigan being better though. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'" Not really, Turner got concussed, Berro filled in. The rest i'll just file in my "better things to do than respond to that drivel" folder.

Quote ="Dave K."=#0000FFNo, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet? Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull. Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me. Your right about Berrigan being better though. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'" Not really, Turner got concussed, Berro filled in. The rest i'll just file in my "better things to do than respond to that drivel" folder.

2 games. Leeds and Hull KR at home and if I remember correctly both games his winger saw plenty of good ball and he did indeed assist Briscoe for a try against Leeds.

Shaun Berrigan is a quality centre.

Ah, I forgot about the leeds game. I'm probably thinking that he was moved out of position due to Radford's sending off.

Just get Berrigan 4 or Fitzgibbon 8 and say you're making a statement if those numbers aren't the actual ones.

Quote ="east hull FC fan"Not really, Turner got concussed, Berro filled in.The rest i'll just file in my "better things to do than respond to that drivel" folder.'" This game when Berrigan was at centre and Turner on the bench? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3314141 Drivel, so you honestley think Berrigan has been a good signing for Hull, he must be the highest paid player at Hull and we aren't getting our moneys worth from him, I would love him to do well at hooker or centre for Hull, but up to now he hasn't be good enough. With your opinions about him (on your own) you must be a personal friend or family member.

Quote ="east hull FC fan"Not really, Turner got concussed, Berro filled in.The rest i'll just file in my "better things to do than respond to that drivel" folder.'" This game when Berrigan was at centre and Turner on the bench? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3314141 Drivel, so you honestley think Berrigan has been a good signing for Hull, he must be the highest paid player at Hull and we aren't getting our moneys worth from him, I would love him to do well at hooker or centre for Hull, but up to now he hasn't be good enough. With your opinions about him (on your own) you must be a personal friend or family member.

Without having the stats at hand id guess Berrigan would have played more SOO and international games in the centres then at dummy half, I remember him scoring a great long range try in a test at maybe Wigan or Hudds, his strike rate at centre was very good, im sure he scored 20 trys in one season aswell, in my opinion Berro hasnt had the impact for us at dummy half like he did in his last season in the NRL, we could really do with someone with his quality out wide in my opinion.

Likewise with Richard Horne, we can get a far better player than him for his money!!

Spot on re the tries. IIR he played a lot of his tests off the bench but did play a lot in the centres too. I may be wrong but not sure he ever started at 9 for Oz.

It's worth saying that the Berrigan you speak is not the one playing at Hull now, his pace has dropped dramatically since he came over here and certainly since he played centre for Brisbane/Aus.

Not sure about that. Think he's faster than what he looks. Strong as an ox too. Main advantage for us is his brain as a centre both defensively and attacking wise.

He could not go the full length now, no chance. He is quick over 20 yards and does have strength and a brain, i'd like to see him play centre this season but I am worried about the lack of cover at hooker, don't want Houghton playing too many minutes.