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| Quote ="Oafy"I'm off to pub
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So there was never a conditional deal lined up for Michaels? You're "confirming" that, then?'"
People talk about team morale, not up setting players! How do you think michaels feels! Steve enjoy your holidays, by the way we've agreed terms with, carney , and wakefield for you to go they. But we just have to run it past Thompson, see if he's ok with it, we'll let you know who your playing for next season ASAP!!! It's laughable . Carney accepted a better offer from Salford, simple , alll this horse tttte of it been a done deal is rubbish. And that's not me having a go at Pearson or the club. Don't believe anyone from the club as said it was a done deal
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| Quote ="Oafy"I'm off to pub
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"1) You originally posted that the possibility of Michaels going on loan somewhere was a contrived lie.
2) Your posting history highlights your previous inaccuracies, so is relevant context to your somewhat provocative statement.
3) It's "trawl".
Back on topic. We could really do with another three quarter. Whether Fonua plays wing or centre, we're still a quality three quarter short IMO.'"
My posting history on certain subjects where things i was told and if you throw enought sh@t at some point it will stick I guess, on this occasion though this is nothing I've been told looking at the facts pearson only 3 weeks ago said westerman wasn't going to be sold the guy is the king of spin, and as tinkerman has said above how does Michaels feel about all this last season he signed a new deal and now the club might send him out on loan to anyone that will have him just in case they might be able to sign someone else but if not he can stick around?
As for the topic i don't really rate Pryce as a half back (apart from 1 side step he gave campo at Newcastle) he drifts in and out of games far to much i think he will provide cover in the centres, think you need a backup hooker for Houghton and will have 1 of the best squads you have had for years
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| Quote ="Oafy"My posting history on certain subjects where things i was told and if you throw enought sh@t at some point it will stick I guess, on this occasion though this is nothing I've been told looking at the facts pearson only 3 weeks ago said westerman wasn't going to be sold the guy is the king of spin, and as tinkerman has said above how does Michaels feel about all this last season he signed a new deal and now the club might send him out on loan to anyone that will have him just in case they might be able to sign someone else but if not he can stick around?'"
Club owners say all sorts of things. Hudgell's said he's not going round again a couple of times, gets a bit of cash in and just does the opposite. "Soon all the good Hull lads will want to sign for Rovers" he boasted. 10 years on, where are they? Some spin, that. As for how Michaels feels, please remember that 32 players have left your own club before the end of their contract since promotion, many in similar circumstances of being moved on. See James Webster and his undignified rejection after an immense contribution to Rovers. I suspect you need to worry less about Michaels in this context. Club stood by him last season during the Titans drugs investigation, maybe he feels some gratitude.
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If Pryce stays fit, he's OK. I doubt Radford sees him as back-up centre.
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| There isn't any loyalty from clubs or players really they both do what's good for themselves if somebody better than michaels came up the club will probably sign them and try to offload him likewise if michaels got an offer from the NRL he would be off that's life
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"There isn't any loyalty from clubs or players really they both do what's good for themselves if somebody better than michaels came up the club will probably sign them and try to offload him likewise if michaels got an offer from the NRL he would be off that's life'"
Well said,spot on
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"There isn't any loyalty from clubs or players really they both do what's good for themselves if somebody better than michaels came up the club will probably sign them and try to offload him likewise if michaels got an offer from the NRL he would be off that's life'"
Yeh, I don't think anyone with half a rugby brain would disagree with that. Just some forum members, ( who are apperantly in the know) would have people believe , that we'd gone to the trouble of agreeing terms with carney and wakefield for michaels! Then to ask Thompson if it was ok. It's just bollllocks! Gutted we ain't signing him myself , think he's exactly the type of player we needed
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Yeh, I don't think anyone with half a rugby brain would disagree with that. Just some forum members, ( who are apperantly in the know) would have people believe , that we'd gone to the trouble of agreeing terms with carney and wakefield for michaels! Then to ask Thompson if it was ok. It's just bollllocks! Gutted we ain't signing him myself , think he's exactly the type of player we needed'"
Are you saying Jamie Shaul lied? Why would he do that? I saw him and asked him about Carney. He offered up the stuff about "Thommo" as he called him. He also said (which I found a bit odd so didn't mention it in my post on here) that he would feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of Carney. Are you suggesting I'm lying or are you suggesting the whole club have been sat down and given a spiel on what to say if anybody asks? Why can't you just accept it, I had no reason not to believe Jamie in what he was saying. I can even tell you what dogs he was walking if you don't believe I spoke to him
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Are you saying Jamie Shaul lied? Why would he do that? I saw him and asked him about Carney. He offered up the stuff about "Thommo" as he called him. He also said (which I found a bit odd so didn't mention it in my post on here) that he would feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of Carney. Are you suggesting I'm lying or are you suggesting the whole club have been sat down and given a spiel on what to say if anybody asks? Why can't you just accept it, I had no reason not to believe Jamie in what he was saying. I can even tell you what dogs he was walking if you don't believe I spoke to him
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I don't think anyone would disbelieve you (or Shaul for that matter) but the unbelievable part is that the Club would get everything set up with the players , agents and boards and then decide to ask the players. Maybe we just expressed an interest , heard rumblings of discontent and spun the story to get kudos for trying and for taking the players feelings into account? If they really did do all the work and then realize that "Thommo" may not be happy then that makes you worry about AP's judgement - again.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"I don't think anyone would disbelieve you (or Shaul for that matter) but the unbelievable part is that the Club would get everything set up with the players , agents and boards and then decide to ask the players. Maybe we just expressed an interest , heard rumblings of discontent and spun the story to get kudos for trying and for taking the players feelings into account? If they really did do all the work and then realize that "Thommo" may not be happy then that makes you worry about AP's judgement - again.'"
Thank you
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| Quote ="ChrisH"I don't think anyone would disbelieve you (or Shaul for that matter) but the unbelievable part is that the Club would get everything set up with the players , agents and boards and then decide to ask the players. Maybe we just expressed an interest , heard rumblings of discontent and spun the story to get kudos for trying and for taking the players feelings into account? If they really did do all the work and then realize that "Thommo" may not be happy then that makes you worry about AP's judgement - again.'"
Maybe there was dialogue of increasing seriousness over a period of time as potential options were explored with Carney and Michaels, in parallel to discussions with our players who as a group weren't keen, and ultimately a bigger offer came in from Koukash.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"I don't think anyone would disbelieve you (or Shaul for that matter) but the unbelievable part is that the Club would get everything set up with the players , agents and boards and then decide to ask the players. Maybe we just expressed an interest , heard rumblings of discontent and spun the story to get kudos for trying and for taking the players feelings into account? If they really did do all the work and then realize that "Thommo" may not be happy then that makes you worry about AP's judgement - again.'"
In what way did the club spin the story though? Can you link to quotes on the clubs website?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"In what way did the club spin the story though? Can you link to quotes on the clubs website?'"
No. That's usually the way spin works though isn't it? Indirect stories , leaks , not denying rumors etc. if they've done that , fair play. Make the best out of a situation. I'd much rather it were that than the other option because we need the management to be running the club not the players.
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| This thread gets weirder by the day
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Maybe there was dialogue of increasing seriousness over a period of time as potential options were explored with Carney and Michaels, in parallel to discussions with our players who as a group weren't keen, and ultimately a bigger offer came in from Koukash.'"
Maybe but we get some cash , Carney is available , will it upset Thommo , ask him , yes , decision to be made , shall we go for it and lose Thommo or keep the status quo. Bid or no bid at that point. How long would that take?
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| Quote ="ChrisH"Maybe but we get some cash , Carney is available , will it upset Thommo , ask him , yes , decision to be made , shall we go for it and lose Thommo or keep the status quo. Bid or no bid at that point. How long would that take?'"
Carney's being courted other clubs. We may have other options. Other senior players may have been asked for input. Painting this is a simple sequence of binary decisions could well be a huge oversimplification.
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| Perrett might become available again if the Bulldogs sign Will Hopoate .
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| Quote ="B0NES"Perrett might become available again if the Bulldogs sign Will Hopoate .'"
I thought he was going to Titans? Like him though.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Carney's being courted other clubs. We may have other options. Other senior players may have been asked for input. Painting this is a simple sequence of binary decisions could well be a huge oversimplification.'"
You speak some tttteee
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| why are players worried about getting changed in front of carney? Does he have an unusually large willy and make them feel inadequate or something or does shaul look like nathan massey's ex?
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| The writing was on the wall with Westerman after his tirade to some fans after the first defeat at Cas .
He also sees himself as a first receiver type of player , as he alluded to in his rant .
A great bit of business by Hull FC . There is no need to panic with the cash generated . Wait for the right player .
Carney would have been a great signing without the allegations.
It was never likely to happen . Unity in a squad is paramount in my opinion. We saw that with the young Lads in the " Super 8's " . Those performances reignited my passion in the Club .
No let's get behind Hull FC and kick on .
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| Quote ="Oafy"My posting history on certain subjects where things i was told and if you throw enought sh@t at some point it will stick I guess, on this occasion though this is nothing I've been told looking at the facts pearson only 3 weeks ago said westerman wasn't going to be sold the guy is the king of spin, and as tinkerman has said above how does Michaels feel about all this last season he signed a new deal and now the club might send him out on loan to anyone that will have him just in case they might be able to sign someone else but if not he can stick around?
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You mean the same Pryce that has won everything in the game as a stand off.......Yeaman is the back up centre
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| carney is a good player, but imo as others have said unity is very important and its the right thing to look elseware
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| Quote ="fc baldy"You mean the same Pryce that has won everything in the game as a stand off.......Yeaman is the back up centre'"
When he had legs why do you think Catalan signed him to play centre?
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