FFS will people stop going on about Miller like hes some scapegoat or something? He was wrongly signed by Gentle and asked to do a role way beyond his ability. Weve been bad for a few years but when Miller was on the field we looked even worse than normal. He didn't have a clue and that rubbed off on the rest of the team who also looked clueless when he was playing.

Yes.

Crooks is the only one who has really gone backwards. Whether that's to do with the coaching or his attitude I dont know, possibly a mix of the two. Hopefully we'll see him back at FC and even better player in the future.

I don't think Miller was the answer to our halfback problems.

Lineham and Green both came back from injuries last year, and both had some solid performanes at the end of the year. The derby for Green springs to mind, he really impressed me that game. Next season should give us a better idea.

If youre going to open a thread discussing youngsters, it's best to cover both sides of the argument, not just the negatives, or it may look a little biased.

Hadley, Bowden & Westerman have all improved without doubt, Westerman having earnt an England call up.

Shaul, I wouldn't say I was blown away by this season, but he certainly hasn't suffered from 'second season syndrome'. Notched up 16 tries I think it was. Hopefully we'll see him flourish off the back of Sneyd and Pryce. certainly got areas of his game he needs to work on.

Debuts to Logan, Lancaster, HTW and Abdull too in 2014.

I'd say on the whole the coaching team do have the ability to bring youngsters through looking at that. Some work out, some don't, just how it is.

A bit harsh but I agree with the sentiment. He was given amounts of remuneration and responsibility disproportionate to his ability and experience by Peter Gentle. Did he take a quarter of the games he played in by the scruff of the neck? Demonstrate a potentially dominant kicking game? Take the line on consistently? Er, no. HTW at 17 shouted the odds more effectively in his cameo of a debut. Sneyd is just a year older and although not wholly consistent has more in his toolkit IMO. The right call to release and a trade-up.

Don't think any youngsters have really been brought through this season! Not to the degree some people talk about on here, not to the level , crooks , lineham and Shaul where last season, a couple of games here and they , not been massively impressive and playing for a team that finished 11! Think people need to calm down, and see what happens next season

Crooks and Lineham both played in 2012 (Crooks played sixteen games that year). I believe the only youngster other than Shaul debuting in 2013 was Jack Briscoe (a single substitute appearance).

Ok right, so hopefully Abdul , Lancaster , htw will go on to make team of the year next season, I'm sure your try to make a point, I'm just not quite sure what it is, we've bloody a few youngsters this year, so what, let see them nail down a starting place next season! Then you may have a point

We have more youngsters coming through than ever and all of them are improving, we have a coach who is not afraid to play them in there natural positions who doesn't move half a team round when a player gets injured.

I think a few people have forgotten how bad it was for youngsters under Agar.

What are you on about?



My point is that Gentle's record in bringing through youngsters was not better than Radford. Arguably it was worse given that in 2012 he prefered to bring in Russell, McGoldrick and Foster on loan deals.

Like I said, hardly impressive, and people are going over board how amazing Radford as done bringing through the youngsters, your point is not a good one, unless, the names mentioned go on to be first team regulars. People banging the drum for Radford over Gentle for what hes done with the youngsters, Is a little far fetched, in my opinion

and where did we finish?

Whiting at centre with Sa in the backrow. Heremaia in the halves. Cunningham's only appearance a spell at loose forward. Radford has had his odd moments/selections just like our last few coaches.

Just a small point to add, if PG was still here McDonnell would no doubt still have been here meaning Shaul would have had limited opportinity. Also wasn't it Radford that convinced Gentle not to sign Youngquest & give Lineham a o?

If McRea had gotten his way Shaul would now be playing for the Newcastle Falcons.

as ever, you have proof?

Pearson told me so.

So, when it comes to proof, you have none?

Pearson told me the Cubs would win the world series.

I'll leave it there!!

as you always do

#intheknowbutnorealfacts

I thought McRae to be a shambles, but if all you can back things up with is "someone told me something" then we'd be here all week.

Mal Meninga told me he'd discovered time travel and Wally Lewis was going to play 7 in 2020 for FC.

and Freddie Mercury is singing The National Anthem at Old Trafford, Brian May and Jimmi Hendrix are doing a guitar duo, with Michael Hutchence singing the verse and Elgar conducting the strings, they asked Pavarotti, but he was busy doing a gig in Leigh?

Tony Martin over Ben Crooks
Ben Galea over Dean Hadley

Theres another couple of PGs masterstrokes.

Are you feeling ok?

fine, thanks for asking.

Just get a little fed up of people posting opinion as fact.

How about playing Richard Whiting over Ben Crooks?

One of LR's masterstrokes?

And that was done to try and stop us shipping in tries down the right, if I am right then most on here was complaining about it at the time.

But we still shipped tries down the right.Whiting was poor at centre.
It may have been better if Radford had moved both Ellis and yeaman to the right and played Crooks at left centre for a while.
It also makes a big difference to a centre who the forwards are defending with him.
Yeaman had the benefit of Ellis, the right side was chopped and changed.

Well it wasn't Crooks shipping those tries because he hadn't played for months.
IIRC his last match was Catalans away in June.