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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Apparently he's a bigger & better Clint Newton!
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![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) Not as good as him.
Solid enough player, may stand out more in SL. Never really shone in the Newcastle side.
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| Quote ="Giggity Quagmire"Unless he was signing for Hull of course
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Honest opinion.
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| Cory Patterson's a .
I'd hate him at Hull.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"He's Australian with an English passport. So he wont count on the full quota.
How is that hard to grasp?'"
It will hardly make one shred of difference, you obviously don't understand how it works.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Cory Patterson's a friend.
I'd hate him at Hull.'"
Why?
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Rovers sign Cory Paterson anygood?'"
Heard his interview on radio this morning where he says he has gone to Rovers to win championships.
Who said Aussies don't have a sense of humour?
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"Heard his interview on radio this morning where he says [size=200he has gone to Rovers to win championships[/size.
Who said Aussies don't have a sense of humour?'"
he's in for a major shock if thats his thinking
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Why?'"
He's just not a very nice person.
He's easily influenced and has some horrible people around him.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"He's just not a very nice person.
He's easily influenced and has some horrible people around him.'"
Strange description of "a friend" ?
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Strange description of "a friend" ?'"
You know what they say.. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer!! ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"You know what they say.. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer!!
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LOL ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Strange description of "a friend" ?'"
Swear filter. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="Sheldon"He's easily influenced and has some horrible people around him.'"
Will fit in well at Rovers ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"It will hardly make one shred of difference, you obviously don't understand how it works.'"
If he didn't have an English passport, would he or would he not be counted on the full quota, or would he be just non-fed still?
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| looking on youtube he looks like a big hitter and scores quite a few tries
quite a good player in my opinion we shall see though
p.s hopefully not lol
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"If he didn't have an English passport, would he or would he not be counted on the full quota, or would he be just non-fed still?'"
Think your missing the point. You can ONLY have 5 quota players which in turn count as 5 non fed players. If you bring in 5 non fed players you have no room for quota players as you have no non fed spots left. DOH!!
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| Quote ="Easty"Think your missing the point. You can ONLY have 5 quota players which in turn count as 5 non fed players. If you bring in 5 non fed players you have no room for quota players as you have no non fed spots left. DOH!!'"
Isn't Lovegrove classed as quota, but fed trained due to the age he joined Rovers?
Quota doesn't automatically = non-fed.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"Isn't Lovegrove classed as quota, but fed trained due to the age he joined Rovers?
Quota doesn't automatically = non-fed.'"
Lovegrove isn't quota or non federation. He's classed as a homegrown. If he had come to Rovers after the age of 21 he'd be a non fed player due to ancestry.
Quote 6 – What is a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player?
- In simplified terms, a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player is one who was not playing for a club within the Rugby League European Federation between age 16-21.
- Clubs are limited to five ‘Non Federation Trained’ players only'"
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| ive watched the game for years and i still cant understand the quota/fed ruling
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"ive watched the game for years and i still cant understand the quota/fed ruling'"
What hard to understand?
You can have 5 quota or Non fed players. Just bear in mind that a quota player counts as both. The theory is that when dispensations for all current players run out clubs will have 5 overseas players ONLY.
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| Quote Below are a series of FAQ’s designed to explain queries regarding the Quota and Federation rulings.
1 – What is the Quota rule?
- The overseas Quota is a limit on the number of players RFL member clubs can register who do not have a right to work in the UK (generally speaking on account of not holding a current European Union member country passport).
- Currently, Super League clubs are permitted five Quota players, one for Championship clubs and two for Championship One clubs.
2 – Is it only European Union passport holders who are ‘off-Quota’?
- No. The EU has signed various trade and association agreements promoting, amongst other things, free trade between the EU states and signatory nation(s)
- Of particular relevance to Rugby League is the ‘Cotonou Agreement’ signed with the ‘African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States’ in June 2000.
- Signatories to the Cotonou agreement included various Pacific Island states such as Cook Islands, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Samoa and Tonga.
3 – What does that mean?
- Cotonou country passport holders are, as a consequence of the European Court of Justice’s 2003 ‘Kolpak’ ruling, given free movement to work within the European Union (and therefore the UK).
- The Kolpak judgment declared that citizens of countries that have signed agreements with the European Union, have the same right to freedom of work and movement within the EU as EU citizens (subject to any visa restrictions)
- Thus any restrictions placed on their right to work (such as quotas setting maximum numbers of such foreign players in sports teams) are not compatible with EU law.
4 – How does that impact on Rugby League?
- In short, as a result of the Cotonou agreement and Kolpak judgment, players who hold a current passport for a country such as the Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga, etc (or an EU country such as France, Malta etc) cannot count as Quota players.
5 – What are the RFL’s ‘Club Trained’ rules
- The Club Trained rule only applies to Super League clubs and was first implemented for the 2008 season.
- Clubs are required to have a minimum number of such players (defined as those developed by the club at some point between ages 16-21) in their first team squad.
- The ‘Club Trained’ rules are separate to the Quota rules and were designed to encourage the development of ‘home grown’ (‘Club Trained’) players.
- In encouraging the development of ‘home grown’ players, the ‘Club Trained’ rules include a limit on the number of ‘Non Federation Trained’ players within a club’s first team squad.
6 – What is a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player?
- In simplified terms, a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player is one who was not playing for a club within the Rugby League European Federation between age 16-21.
- Clubs are limited to five ‘Non Federation Trained’ players only.
7 – Can there be ‘Non Federation Trained’ exemptions?
- There are a number of current Super League players who would otherwise count as ‘Non Federation Trained’ who have been given ‘Federation Trained’ player status by RFL dispensation.
- Such dispensations have largely been granted on account of the players in question having been playing for an RFL member club (whether in the UK or France) before the rules were introduced.
8 – Do players only count on one list?
- No. The Quota and Club Trained rule systems operate as separate squad requirements.
- Depending on his circumstances, a player might count as both a Quota player and as a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- For example, a player holding a passport from, say, Australia or New Zealand only and whose player development was outside the European Federation (i.e. between ages 16-21) will count as both a Quota player and a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- However, by contrast, if the same player holds a current, say, Samoan passport, he would be classified as ‘off Quota’ but would still count on the club’s ‘Non Federation Trained’ list.
Ultimately, in understanding the separate rules as to overseas players, it is perhaps important to understand that there are two separate lists and that players might count as both Quota and Non Federation Trained players – but some will count on one list but not the other depending on their passport and whether they have been granted Federation Trained status by RFL dispensation.'"
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"ive watched the game for years and i still cant understand the quota/fed ruling'"
Once the players who were here before 2008 all leave or retire - the Manu's, Galea's, Martin's etc then it will become much easier to understand I think.
Because you can't refuse a person the right to work here based on nationality because of the EU and some other agreement they needed a new way of limiting foreigners, which is the non-fed rule. But players who were here before 2008 couldn't legally be non-fed as they were already here, which is why there are exemptions.
The quota in the next 4 or 5 years when all these exemptions have retired will be largely irrelevant, this Paterson might have a UK passport but he's still non-fed so takes up one of those spots. The only players Rovers can sign with the other half of the spot are those who are fed trained but quota, so someone like Ben Galea.
It's a bit of a long winded explanation but I think it's right!
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| Quote ="Easty"Lovegrove isn't quota or non federation. He's classed as a homegrown. If he had come to Rovers after the age of 21 he'd be a non fed player due to ancestry.
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But this is wrong, as he should be non-fed trained
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"But this is wrong, as he should be non-fed trained'"
How can he be non fed when club train rules apply to any player between the age of 16-21, We signed Lovegrove when he was 18-19 so he's club trained
Quote 5 – What are the RFL’s ‘Club Trained’ rules
- The Club Trained rule only applies to Super League clubs and was first implemented for the 2008 season.
- Clubs are required to have a minimum number of such players ([udefined as those developed by the club at some point between ages 16-21)[/u in their first team squad.
- The ‘Club Trained’ rules are separate to the Quota rules and were designed to encourage the development of ‘home grown’ (‘Club Trained’) players.
- In encouraging the development of ‘home grown’ players, the ‘Club Trained’ rules include a limit on the number of ‘Non Federation Trained’ players within a club’s first team squad.'"
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