He's a little fooking rat but they are more useful than mice.

That was Westy. Miller created the try for Feka. Don't recall Rankin doing anything memorable.

Fair enough - makes sense it being Westerman. I agree about rankin - he isn't good enough either certainly at half back.

Miller also created Shaul's try. Both occasions he took the ball to the line and committed defenders before passing instead of crabbing along the line 5 yards away.

I've watched our tries back. The Feka try in particular is worth a few watches.

That's a relief because I thought Radford had only taught him to do the crabbing bit.

The really frustrating thing about Miller is that when he first arrived he was noticeably playing much closer to the line than Holdsworth. Then this season the whole 'play 5 yards from the defence and run sideways' thing took over. I have no idea if it was coaching but I have noticed he's started playing closer to the line in the last couple of games.

If we had a quality, experienced half for him to play alongside it might work. Pairing him with either Rankin or Horne isn't going to bear fruit in any useful timescale.

Showed a bit of spunk compared to most.
Also thought Milky did alright yesterday.
Disappointed with Rankin thought he'd go really well for us initially.
Probably just levelled out with the rest of our neurotics.

Even one half of the type you mention would do. Doesn't have to be world class (impossible to get) - just a very good practitioner of the art.

Feka really didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Played his heart out, along with Westy as usual.
Thought Miller had a decent game overall. Created two good tries and a few other opportunities that we bombed and his goalkicking was spot on. Shame about his field kicking though.
Rankin has one or two games where he looks good then disappears for a couple. Looked the more promising of the two a few weeks ago, now I'm not so sure.

Good half backs cant do anything behind a beaten pack and other than feka,houghton and ellis who I thought were good,not much else.Why wasn't heremaia brought on earlier,he improved your side big style in the time he was on ?

The thing is that the pack did OK without being spectacular. They certainly weren't dominated like they were in the first Derby. Packs were more or less even over the 80 IMO.

You'd have to ask Radford why Heremaia warmed the bench for as long as he did. He doesn't do long minutes but could have been used more effectively IMO.

I remember saying at the time it was the wrong appointment. Not enough experience, and no partition between being a player and team mate and then head coach. Quite a few hulls fans agreed with me at the time. I touted harris as a viable option because he'd been a top player and would comman respect, already had experience as a head coach and had done a good apprentiship as an assistant at a top trophy winning team.

He looked ideal to me but sadly koukash has got in there first.

Hull NEED a top coach. They've been crying out for one for nigh on the last decade.

Harris is doing a great job at Salford isnt he

Thankfully Castleford are winning comfortably against one of our relegation rivals.
Wakefield look a poor side, really sums up how we are.
Hopefully Hudds will do us a favour later too.

He's been there a few weeks.

Everything I had foreseen when radford was appointed has come to pass. It's so laughably predictable.

You and me both but I wouldnt have Harris either

Seems to me we have two problems:

1. A squad that isn't good enough for the position in the league we aspire to.
2. A coach that isn't good enough to get the best out of the squad we have.

The first one will take time to fix. The second less so if AP gets a grip.

if only someone who'd watched most of his career and talks to people who watch the GC Titans and their Holden cup team had told us all this beforehand.



Rankin's a FB, and not a very good one at that. Prone to brain farts and is anonymous for large parts of the game. Not my words, but I'm not seeing any reason to disagree.

Even bradford shift the ball better than we do

People were mocking Gale as a target. That was a better kick than anything we managed yesterday.

And Lunt hast just gone over him.

Not saying much though is it?

Other than london and wakey, every club has a half back who is better than all of ours

Perfectly summed up. The squad does need an overhaul (and has done for some time), not least of all in the halfback positions. That will take a while to get right, but we need the right guy in post to fashion a winning team, and who will get the best out of the squad we have in the meantime.

Makes far more sense than allowing the wrong coach to rebuild the squad as some seem to be suggesting we should do