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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I think it will be somwhere in the middle. Can't see them getting enough from player sales but think they could knock a considerable hole out of it, say about £300-350k.'"
Agree on that.....would be very handy money for them but someone seems to think it wont be enough.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I just don't see how you can say it's Bradford's own fault for not managing their money and also be bitter that they took players from us when we allowed the situation to arise by having players not even knowing if they would get paid or not. The very fact that we've been stung by this kind of thing should make us more aware of how the fans feel in all this and prevent us from getting a kick out of it by seeing it as some sort of petty revenge. Don't play the victim and then celebrate the fact we can become the offenders.
And also, I don't think anybody is saying we shouldn't be looking at their players, we definitely should, but there's a difference in simply benefitting from somebody's poor situation and enjoying it whilst doing so.'"
They managed it well with Harris didnt they....they must have known they would get royally screwed when they signed him and his Registration was still with Leeds...that is bad mamagement.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"How do you know that???? 5 clubs may offer £100,000 each for Whitehead,Bateman,Burgess,Kopskack and A.N.other......'"
Why would they do that when letting the Bulls go into administration would mean being able to pick them up for free - or at least next to nothing? Not to mention that they need the cash before the 6th of April which leaves little time to sort out terms/contracts/etc.
It just isn't viable IMO.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I think it will be somwhere in the middle. Can't see them getting enough from player sales but think they could knock a considerable hole out of it, say about £300-350k.'"
And they'd save on the salaries. But they actually need £1M in pretty short order - the £500k is just the most urgent chunk of that.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Why would they do that when letting the Bulls go into administration would mean being able to pick them up for free - or at least next to nothing? Not to mention that they need the cash before the 6th of April which leaves little time to sort out terms/contracts/etc.
It just isn't viable IMO.'"
True...but with a cash bid,you get the player you want instead of waiting to scrap it out with other teams.
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| Not read the 8 pages, but i'm pretty sure a chunk of this is down to Harris and the oneupmanship shown by Bulls to Leeds
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| Lessons to be learned, i think all clubs should try and be more honest with the fans way before they get to the unenviable position Bradford are in now.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"True...but with a cash bid,you get the player you want instead of waiting to scrap it out with other teams.'"
That's certainly true, but I'd still expect clubs to bid low in the knowledge that the Bulls are desperate. I can see Burgess and Whitehead making decent sums but not anyone else realistically. And they've got less than a fortnight to come up with the cash...
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I just don't see how you can say it's Bradford's own fault for not managing their money and also be bitter that they took players from us when we allowed the situation to arise by having players not even knowing if they would get paid or not. The very fact that we've been stung by this kind of thing should make us more aware of how the fans feel in all this and prevent us from getting a kick out of it by seeing it as some sort of petty revenge. Don't play the victim and then celebrate the fact we can become the offenders.
And also, I don't think anybody is saying we shouldn't be looking at their players, we definitely should, but there's a difference in simply benefitting from somebody's poor situation and enjoying it whilst doing so.'"
no offence but your last paragraph reminds me of them people who enjoy eating meat but then go a bit giddy if someone mentions how it got on their plate,unfortunately its a jungle out there
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Of course it is Bradfords own fault...They signed a player for 5 yrs only last week! they must have known then that they were in the mire having had to sell the stadium to the RFL because they could not pay them back.. They just about gave the season passes away, they should have been looking to reduce the wage bill..
Like I said Bradford are a rival team I support FC so if they cannot afford to cut it get rid and bring in a team which can, it is simple for me. I doubt this kind of empathy occurred when the Dobbins went to the wall!
I will only enjoy it if we get a couple of decent players.'"
Did I say it wasn't the Bradford board's fault? Don't think I did.
What I said was you can't blame them for their troubles and still blame them for ours that they benefitted from. You should maybe accept that and let go of the bitterness so that this childish glee you're exhibiting may dissipate.
Reduce the wage bill by a million? What do you want them to do, release the full playing squad and sign up Dudley Hill's team?
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| I feel for the Bradford fans - we were on the brink once and I remember the gut wrenching feeling oh so well.
I hope that they reach the other side still afloat for the sake of RL in this country.
What happens between now and that point (if indeed they make it) will shape the club that remains.
If they need to restructure on the playing side I would hope that we would be assessing the situation accordingly.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Did I say it wasn't the Bradford board's fault? Don't think I did.
What I said was you can't blame them for their troubles and still blame them for ours that they benefitted from. You should maybe accept that and let go of the bitterness so that this childish glee you're exhibiting may dissipate.
Reduce the wage bill by a million? What do you want them to do, release the full playing squad and sign up Dudley Hill's team?'"
For the 10th time I do not give a flying about Bradford I am an FC fan, what is childish about that ? Of course I want a couple of decent players to strengthen my squad what is childish about that ? Get real this is Super League not Hull & District! Like mentioned I doubt you showed this much empathy when the Dobbins hit the wall!
So you consider it was good business to sign a player for 5 yrs last week and then bring the begging bowls out this week ? they are a bunch of idiots!! And yes if they want to keep their club they should be releasing prize players and not signing them up for 5 yrs!
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"For the 10th time I do not give a flying about Bradford I am an FC fan, what is childish about that ? Of course I want a couple of decent players to strengthen my squad what is childish about that ? Get real this is Super League not Hull & District! Like mentioned I doubt you showed this much empathy when the Dobbins hit the wall!
So you consider it was good business to sign a player for 5 yrs last week and then bring the begging bowls out this week ? they are a bunch of idiots!! And yes if they want to keep their club they should be releasing prize players and not signing them up for 5 yrs!'"
You do realise that in signing Whitehead up for 5 years they are giving themselves more bargaining power when/if clubs come in for him with offers?
Plus they can't go releasing players still in contract.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"For the 10th time I do not give a flying about Bradford I am an FC fan, what is childish about that ? Of course I want a couple of decent players to strengthen my squad what is childish about that ? Get real this is Super League not Hull & District! Like mentioned I doubt you showed this much empathy when the Dobbins hit the wall!
So you consider it was good business to sign a player for 5 yrs last week and then bring the begging bowls out this week ? they are a bunch of idiots!! And yes if they want to keep their club they should be releasing prize players and not signing them up for 5 yrs!'"
I'm sure they would rather have a transfer fee than losing them for nothing!
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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"You do realise that in signing Whitehead up for 5 years they are giving themselves more bargaining power when/if clubs come in for him with offers?
Plus they can't go releasing players still in contract.'"
I do realize that, however you do realize that if they do not get £1m together he will be a free agent ?
They could have sold him to keep the coffers at bay and also looked at releasing a few others on a transfer package, then they could have been honest with their fans and said we need to start raising money etc and formed a plan instead of having to find half a million in 2 weeks! even if they put Whithead on the market now they would not get that kind of money, like I said idiots!
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| Quote ="Holty"I'm sure they would rather have a transfer fee than losing them for nothing!'"
See above, if they go into administration they will not get any transfer fee's, players become free agents.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"See above, if they go into administration they will not get any transfer fee's, players become free agents.'"
He could be sold before they go into administration.
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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"You do realise that in signing Whitehead up for 5 years they are giving themselves more bargaining power when/if clubs come in for him with offers?
Plus they can't go releasing players still in contract.'"
I bet they didn't explain this to him when they offered him the deal.
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| Quote ="Holty"He could be sold before they go into administration.'"
Should be, with a few others, Bulls will not get the full price now as they have gone public with their dirty washing, so that leaves the buyer in the stronger position. They would have possibly got more for him and a few others had they released before all this.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"I bet they didn't explain this to him when they offered him the deal.'"
I bet they never either!
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I do realize that, however you do realize that if they do not get £1m together he will be a free agent ?
They could have sold him to keep the coffers at bay and also looked at releasing a few others on a transfer package, then they could have been honest with their fans and said we need to start raising money etc and formed a plan instead of having to find half a million in 2 weeks! even if they put Whithead on the market now they would not get that kind of money, like I said idiots!'"
A club going into administration does not mean all players suddenly become free agents. They'll still be contracted to the Bulls, and the administrator will either try to sell them or decide to keep them if they can aford to do so. I'd assume as one of their most sought after assets that Whitehead would indeed be sold.
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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"A club going into administration does not mean all players suddenly become free agents. They'll still be contracted to the Bulls, and the administrator will either try to sell them or decide to keep them if they can aford to do so. I'd assume as one of their most sought after assets that Whitehead would indeed be sold.'"
Yes but it could be for a lot less than what they got whilst trading before administration, all they have achieved is paying a wage bill they cannot meet, thus risking their clubs future.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Yes but it could be for a lot less than what they got whilst trading before administration, all they have achieved is paying a wage bill they cannot meet, thus risking their clubs future.'"
So when you said ''however you do realize that if they do not get £1m together he will be a free agent" you were wrong then? Thanks, and top backtracking.
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Correct, we signed obst from wakey whilst they were in administration
www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 66,00.html
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Correct, we signed obst from wakey whilst they were in administration
www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 66,00.html
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Exactly. Take Rangers Football Club as an example too. Whilst in administration, a couple of their players asked for voluntary redundancy with no pay off, and quite alot (if not all) accepted large pay cuts. They did not become 'free agents'.
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Exactly. Take Rangers Football Club as an example too. Whilst in administration, a couple of their players asked for voluntary redundancy with no pay off, and quite alot (if not all) accepted large pay cuts. They did not become 'free agents'.
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