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Macnamara for a start!

you've managed to answer your own question ! i'm not from the so-called heartlands either so that makes me just as ignorant of the game as youself probably ?

Didn't Agar, a poor coach, take what a lot on here consider a poor team, to top 6.
Just playing Devil's Advocate.

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Player for player our squad isn't poor.

I agree. I also agree that Agar should go. I do not agree that Noble should replace him. I have no suggestions to offer, as I don't know who else is available.

I do find it interesting that, aside from Standee, the people who are most against Noble coming in are those who back/ have backed Agar the most. I can understand the view that Noble isn't the man to take us to the very top, but the claim that we have a better chance of success under Agar than we would under Noble is beyond all reason.

For that very reason he should not replace someone, who is also not capable of taking us to the top.

It's not a [ireason[/i though is it? It's an understandable point of view that has some evidence to back it up and some evidence to go against it.

IMO given our board's limited vision and ambition, Noble is the best we can hope to get and things would improve greatly under him. Maybe in a few years time we'll all feel he's taken us as far as he can but I'm quite happy to cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

It is a very reasonable point of view, however my point of view is, that to go from Agar to Noble, will only end up with us further down that famous creek, only this time we'll not only be without a paddle, we may well have a large hole in the canoe.

That's not what you said before though? To carry on your metaphor, maybe Noble wouldn't get us to the top of the creek, but to suggest that he'd take us further down it than Agar already has defies logic.

So why not bring Noble in on a deal till the end of the season, tell him were looking for a coach on a 2/3 year deal starting 2012 and that he's expected to apply, been the current coach it's his to lose, then interview other applicants and make a appointment asap for recruitment purposes.

only one problem with that, we've a shed load of recruitment to do.

I agree that's a good idea from FC's viewpoint, but from Noble's point of view I think he'd see it as disrespectful. He's one of the most successful coaches in the SL era..why would he agree to coming in on what is effectively a trial?

We better appoint someone asap then or we'll be ed for another 2 years.

which is where my concerns are not starting to get even worse, fair enough we're stuck with Fubar for the next few games, but I don't want him anywhere near recruitment.

It's a good point that's why I'd tell him we'd announce it within a time frame, a month, and he'd be in the front seat depending how the results go.

I wouldn't let him push us into a decision, if he didn't want to fair enough.

Even worse, Rule and Kath could do it.

I guess we're back to discussions we were having earlier, who actually does what?

silly me, we're getting Cronk next year, aren't we, even if we finish bottom of SL!

Cronks nailed on, he's just got to tell Ricky Stuart and Tim Sheens he won't be available for rep selection, tell Craig Bellemy he wants the last two years of his contract ripping up, tell his bank manager he's halfing his weekly deposits and tell his lass their moving from Melbourne to Hull.

Should be easy.

No matter how much experience you have in any sport, you will always be learning. If you think you've learned enough, you're never going to be the best.

I say it, because although I agree Noble's record speaks for itself, I'm not sure, based purely on what little I know of our clubs inner sanctum, things would run very smoothly between him and those who wield power.
Given that he doesn't strike me as a 'yes' man,and as others have said, our recruitment and retention is crucial for next year, I believe it could cause more problems than it solves.
If on the other hand, he is allowed to stamp his mark, then yes, I would like to see him given a shot at it.

Personally I'd sooner we got Shawn the Sheep, or is he our current no 7?

I'd rather have Clive Woodward, strategically out-thinks his opponents, ensures the highest order of physical training is encorporated and uses mental strength as a tool just as much as the physical. He'd have our game to a tee within a short space of time and being connected at the highest level would be able to enhance our club immeasureably.
He wouldn't come, even if we could scrape together the huge fee but it would be a massive leap for us and RL in general if he did.

he was a disaster at Southampton FC !