They're far too defensive about being under the cap, it makes you wonder whether they doubt it themselves.

Still waiting for you lot to list our squad and our salaries we pay them, just so we can be sure we are over the cap.....

You haven't specified which salary list. The actual players' salary list or the one which is submit to the RFL.

Either will do....To be honest, I'm expecting both to be total fabrication....

You are most probably fully adherent to the cap, but the fact you club has such an extraodinary International playing roster from 1 - 17 is going to generate accusation, and not just on this board.

Another bitter thread about our wage bill.

If we are cheating I do wonder why we let 4 players go at the end the 2010 season and only sign 2 players.

These days all players are generally thought of as mercenaries, but in my opinion geographical factors and the fact that wire have a top coach and everything geared for success whereas if we're honest we offer a nomark head coach and a culture of mediocrity probably costs us on average 10-15% more on the cap for similar players than it would them.

And Hull don't have big name players in there team?

The following are not small fry the first four on the list are household names in Rugby League here and in NRL

Long
Fitzgibbon
O'Meley
Berrigan
Cusack

Neither are these small time players

Westerman
Yeaman
Horne
Tickle
Radford
Lauaki

Spot on....Those first 5's combined salaries will far outdo our top 5 earner's salaries.

Westerman will definitely equal Myler....Yeaman probably on equal to Atkins & Bridge...Horne similar to Briers.....You could go through their whole squad comparing like for like.....Unfortunately, Hull don't seem to get value for money for the money they pay their players....

I make a bloody good point there if I don't say so myself.. can all the people who are saying Wire are cheats honestly say that if they were a player they wouldn't take 90 grand to play for Tony Smith rather than 100 grand to play for Agar?... over a 25 man squad that really adds up

Interesting point about Hull paying slightly more for players, I reckon it counts for Rovers as well in this instance. When you consider the bulk of SL players are West Yorkshire or Lancashire based I reckon both Hull clubs probably do need to sell themselves more then most.

That said I fully expected Westerman to become a Saints or Leeds player rather then sign for us so I guess we must have some appeal?

Its now down to the coach to deliver with the players he has brought in....

Maybe you pushed the boat out with your salary offer?.....

That and the fact we paid a fee meant we were able to avoid a salary bidding war... if we'd have waited for him to be a free agent he'd have gone elsewhere, as proven with LMS etc

Obviously same applies to Rovers in the geographical sense but if we're being honest they must look so much more ambitious than us and as much as I hate to say it, if you were a player with no attachment/knowledge of Hull and you had Morgan and Agar trying to sign you, there really wouldn't be any contest in deciding where you'd go.

I am not sure it is as black and white (pun intended) as you make it tbh....

You were doing quite well up to this point.

Of course it's not black and white and I'm just a frustrated fan, you have to hope players would be wise enough to see our superior history, financial position and infrastructure... but there's no denying that Rovers are currently the top dogs in the city and Morgan is a far more dynamic, impressive and successful coach than Agar. If you were just coming across for the last 2 or 3 years of your career and were looking for a payday and to top up your trophy collection your best bet would be with Rovers

Hard to take I know but it's deep rooted in fact.

Trophey collection?

Rovers aint been to a major final since 1986!!!!

Edited for accuracy

I mentioned our superior history but I guess you missed it.

They finshed above us in 2008, 2009 and knocked us out of the playoffs in 2010.

Since Rovers came into SL they have a superior win loss record in derbys to us, we won twice in the league this year thanks to a debatably disallowed try and a miracle tackle... they humiliated us when it really counted.

Justin Morgan has reached the playoffs twice and won one game, Rich Agar has reached them one in the same amount of time and lost it.

All of this is made more remarkable considering how much of a head start we had in super league over them.

Justin Morgan has a national league promotion to his name and is in demand from the media for his insight and opinions, Rich Agar has won nothing to my knowledge and can barely string a sentence together.


Need I go on?

Spoken like a true Robin!

Seems like the easy way out to me talking like that, I'm 100% black n white I'm simply looking from the point of view of an impartial aussie and stating facts.... resorting to saying i support the other team suggests you cant really contradict what i've said?

Must admit, as an outsider looking in, your main problem seems to be your coach.....You have a similar situation to what we had with Paul Cullen....Decent squad, with quite an outlay on it, yet making do with a sub-standard coach....Despite all your protests claiming different, our fortunes changing for the better only happened when we brought in a top class coach, and not when Mr Moran began chucking his cash about....He'd been doing that for a while with pretty ropey results.