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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Not at all, Horne is not a player i rate at all. He doesn't fill me with confidence when his name is on the team sheet and when he returns from an injury i don't think 'Thank god for that, we've missed him' as i would with Tansey, Briscoe, Long, O'Meley, Fitz and many others.........
But the actual point i made was that Calderwood has returned from injury and then been made to sit on the sidelines when 100% fit, then been made to play u20s and frozen out by the club, while Mr Average just walks straight back into the squad and was shiiiiiite!!!'"
How can any player that has been out since February with a 27cm hamstring tear with one reserve game since be anywhere near 100% fit? Prior to the reserve match he was still undergoing a late fitness test...i am not a fan of Agar but from what i have seen of Calders he has made the right decision not to play him yet and as he has cover in this position whats the problem...to suggest he is out of favour is garbage....if he had brought him back and had played like he has in the reserves,' lacking in confidence ' then Agar would have been at fault again so he can't win either way.
As for Horne he was probably brought straight back in out of desparation as there is no half back cover, had adequate cover been available then Horne would have probably played in the reserves as well
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| Quote ="wolfie"yes i do,and just to add i dont see him been here next season.
and just a little tip for you,dont believe everything you read on here,also the amount of people voicing there opinions on here are just a very small percentage of our fanbase.'"
So are you actually saying that Agar does like Calderwood but he won't be here next season?
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Not at all, Horne is not a player i rate at all. He doesn't fill me with confidence when his name is on the team sheet and when he returns from an injury i don't think 'Thank god for that, we've missed him' as i would with Tansey, Briscoe, Long, O'Meley, Fitz and many others.........
But the actual point i made was that Calderwood has returned from injury and then been made to sit on the sidelines when 100% fit, then been made to play u20s and frozen out by the club, while Mr Average just walks straight back into the squad and was shiiiiiite!!!'"
Whether you rate Horne or not, you are in fact judging him on a single performance as reiterated in your last sentence above.
I don't know what's happening with Calderwood any more than you do. We don't even know for sure that he's 100% fit. It's possible it may have to do with his injury, or it may be something more sinister. I'd say that Horne was put straight in because of the HB situation except that our genius coach didn't use him there. Personally I'd have preferred that he had a run in the U20's to being thrown on in an unfamiliar position. I'm not going to have a go at him because of something the coach did though.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"So are you actually saying that Agar does like Calderwood but he won't be here next season?'"
No. He's saying that Agar doesn't [idislike[/i him. There is a difference.
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| Quote ="bigjohn"How can any player that has been out since February with a 27cm hamstring tear with one reserve game since be anywhere near 100% fit? Prior to the reserve match he was still undergoing a late fitness test...i am not a fan of Agar but from what i have seen of Calders he has made the right decision not to play him yet and as he has cover in this position whats the problem...to suggest he is out of favour is garbage....if he had brought him back and had played like he has in the reserves,' lacking in confidence ' then Agar would have been at fault again so he can't win either way.
As for Horne he was probably brought straight back in out of desparation as there is no half back cover, had adequate cover been available then Horne would have probably played in the reserves as well'"
Desparation gets you nowhere, it makes the problem worse!! We could put fit players in half back positions which would do better than an 'unfit' Horne. He was a major weak link in our side on Saturday and that proves the desparation tag to have blown up in Agar's face. Horne has to be in the u20s this week, do you think he will be??
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Desparation gets you nowhere, it makes the problem worse!! =#0000FFWe could put fit players in half back positions which would do better than an 'unfit' Horne. He was a major weak link in our side on Saturday and that proves the desparation tag to have blown up in Agar's face. Horne has to be in the u20s this week, do you think he will be??'"
Horne didn't play HB. He played hooker.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Whether you rate Horne or not, you are in fact judging him on a single performance as reiterated in your last sentence above.
I don't know what's happening with Calderwood any more than you do. We don't even know for sure that he's 100% fit. It's possible it may have to do with his injury, or it may be something more sinister. I'd say that Horne was put straight in because of the HB situation except that our genius coach didn't use him there. Personally I'd have preferred that he had a run in the U20's to being thrown on in an unfamiliar position. I'm not going to have a go at him because of something the coach did though.'"
Horne has been average for a long time now 3yrs at least (when you can get him on the field). I agree with you about playing him out of position but clearly our 6 and 7 situation wasn't that bad if we didn't put our 'first choice' 6 there, so we shouldn't have risked it.. And no, i'm not basing it on one performance. check my posts. You'll come back with the point that IMO Richard Horne is no more than a outside squad player on an international wage. But opinions are what this board is here for, that's mine and you can have yours. We posts on here, have a light chat about it then in the end decide that i was right and we move on.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Horne didn't play HB. He played hooker.'"
I know, i was just speaking in general... a fit player who usually plays a similar role is better than an unfit player in his actual role!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Horne has been average for a long time now 3yrs at least (when you can get him on the field). I agree with you about playing him out of position but clearly our 6 and 7 situation wasn't that bad if we didn't put our 'first choice' 6 there, so we shouldn't have risked it.. And no, i'm not basing it on one performance. check my posts. You'll come back with the point that IMO Richard Horne is no more than a outside squad player on an international wage. But opinions are what this board is here for, that's mine and you can have yours. We posts on here, have a light chat about it then in the end decide that i was right and we move on.
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Your pitching yourself up there with Brian Clough with closing comments like that. Pi$$ed myself when I heard him say that all those years ago.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Desparation gets you nowhere, it makes the problem worse!! We could put fit players in half back positions which would do better than an 'unfit' Horne. He was a major weak link in our side on Saturday and that proves the desparation tag to have blown up in Agar's face. Horne has to be in the u20s this week, do you think he will be??'"
He was playing for short spells in a unfamiliar position on sat....like i have already said if Agar had another halfback to choose from ie Longy then Horney would have had a run out in the reserves but he hasn't so i think he will be at HB in the 1st team on thursday as there is very few options available......but Horne was not responsible for the poor performance on sat and was not the only under performer out there at least he had an excuse to be rusty unlike some of the others.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I know, i was just speaking in general... a fit player who usually plays a similar role is better than an unfit player in his actual role!'"
I agree with the general point. I'm not a fan of rushing players back or playing them when not 100% fit - I think it leads to more problems both short and long term. I understand that occasionally this is necessary but I don't like it. Ironically I think that Horne is a player who has suffered from this more than most in the past, and some of his recent fitness issues may be a direct result.
Regarding Calderwood I seem to remember something about him feeling some tenderness in his calf following his first run in the U20's. Given the severity of the injury it's possible that not playing him on Saturday was justified on grounds of not wanting to risk a setback.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I agree with the general point. I'm not a fan of rushing players back or playing them when not 100% fit - I think it leads to more problems both short and long term. I understand that occasionally this is necessary but I don't like it. Ironically I think that Horne is a player who has suffered from this more than most in the past, and some of his recent fitness issues may be a direct result.
Regarding Calderwood I seem to remember something about him feeling some tenderness in his calf following his first run in the U20's. Given the severity of the injury it's possible that not playing him on Saturday was justified on grounds of not wanting to risk a setback.'"
Thank god....sense at last
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Meli would be a really good signing and two years would be perfect as that allows Lyne to develop.'"
a 31 year old winger on a 2 year contract would be a cr4p signing. He'll be nicking fitz's zimmer frame
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| Quote ="wolfie"yes i do,and just to add i dont see him been here next season.
and just a little tip for you,dont believe everything you read on here,also the amount of people voicing there opinions on here are just a very small percentage of our fanbase.'"
I don't think you know anything wolfster. And if you're suggesting that agar has a massive army of adoring fans then you're mistaken
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I don't think you know anything wolfster. And if you're suggesting that agar has a massive army of adoring fans then you're mistaken'"
you would be surprised what i know jakester.
and im not claiming he does have a army of adoring fans,didnt you listen to sports talk earlier?
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| Quote ="wolfie"you would be surprised what i know jakester.
and im not claiming he does have a army of adoring fans,didnt you listen to sports talk earlier?'"
No, it's rubbish. Why, what happened?
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| Quote ="hullbg"I am listening to it now Jake because Wolfie piqued my curiosity
So far it is like an Agar out thread on Radio
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the james hoggarth show at 8 was better,the great man arthur bunting was on with keith tind,mick sutton,some great memories brought up by them 3.
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| Quote ="wolfie"correct.
the james hoggarth show at 8 was better,the great man arthur bunting was on with keith tind,mick sutton,some great memories brought up by them 3.
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Does Arthur want his job back, even now he could do a better job and show Agar a thing or two about attacking rugby
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| Quote ="The Brother"Does Arthur want his job back, even now he could do a better job and show Agar a thing or two about attacking rugby'"
He was a great coach karl as we all know,and like he said that was without any cash,was very interesting listening to him,knocker 25grand and he says thats who attracted the great players to the club,he also speaks very highly of agar,but then again he may of just been filling me with shi-.
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| Hopefully that one will come up on Iplayer tomorrow. Arthur was the first coach i really remember and he was idolised by me and to be fair the majority of our supporters.
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| Quote ="wolfie"He was a great coach karl as we all know,and like he said that was without any cash,was very interesting listening to him,knocker 25grand and he says thats who attracted the great players to the club,he also speaks very highly of agar,but then again he may of just been filling me with shi-.'"
Gazza spoke very highly of Roal Moat
You really can't see how poor of a coach he is, you need to put your personal feelings aside and look at the good of the club and want you want to see
We pay good money and travel in thousands to support i want to see effort and commitment to start with which we mostly do, however that seemed lacking on Saturday
I don't expect to have a divine right to win every week, but i want to see some exciting rugby that entertains me and thousands other, these are full time athletes and coaches knocker and co used to do it in there spare time after a day down the pit
He was thrown in at the deep end by the club when clearly not ready but was never worth another 2 years that is just plain crazy and even you must see that
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| Quote ="The Brother"Gazza spoke very highly of Roal Moat
You really can't see how poor of a coach he is, you need to put your personal feelings aside and look at the good of the club and want you want to see
We pay good money and travel in thousands to support i want to see effort and commitment to start with which we mostly do, however that seemed lacking on Saturday
I don't expect to have a divine right to win every week, but i want to see some exciting rugby that entertains me and thousands other, these are full time athletes and coaches knocker and co used to do it in there spare time after a day down the pit
He was thrown in at the deep end by the club when clearly not ready but was never worth another 2 years that is just plain crazy and even you must see that'"
Ive said on numerous occasions that he was given the 2 year deal to early,but thats down to rule and the board,like agar said after signing if he fails he will walk,maybe he classes been 4th in the league as a success.
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| Quote ="wolfie"Ive said on numerous occasions that he was given the 2 year deal to early,but thats down to rule and the board,like agar said after signing if he fails he will walk,maybe he classes been 4th in the league as a success.'"
You are james rule
Improvment in terms of postion Yes for now
Improvment in terms of the quality of rugby. Hell no
Has Rich Agar improved anyones playing ability since he took control???
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