Of course it takes 12 years to get round to it.

Standard Labour Supporter Rulese 101

a)If anything POSITIVE has happened then it was all down to New Labour and the huge strides they have made since ousting the Tories.

b)If anything NEGATIVE has happened then it is all down to the old Tory Government (extra points for blaming Thatcher) and New Labour have been fighting against opposition to changing things.

If a or b cannot be applied, the problem is probably foreign in it's origin,

Don't you ever associate me with this new Labour party I am a socialist FFS .......................Keir Hardy will be turning in his grave

Yes, you created the Welfare State, thanks for that (not)

Oddly enough, the same rule applies to Tory supporters only in reverse. Who'd a thunk it?

The alternative being... what? The American system?

The truth is they are all self-serving cretins!

Not all, but the vast majority certainly.

Greencore dont make me laugh. I was at a4e a few months ago got forsed into a job at green core. dont get me wrong I am glad of a job but if I had known how bad greencore is I would have flat out refused. The staff are extreamly abusiv and managment dont want to know. and let me state I advise anbody not to eat products from greancore as hygiene is a joke along with h+s.

I agree that benifits should pay out less than minimum wage however I was on better money in the dole queue.

as for a4e I will give them credit they got me a job even though i was forsed into it after about 3 days of been there but the place is a joke, you are given activities to go count the steps on a building, some groups get taken to laser quest, just how does going to laser quest find you a job? also the techer if you want to call them that couldnt be ar$ed and repetedly told people to go away for a few hours and have a few joints. how is telling people to go do drugs helpful.

one of the main reasons for places like A4E as i can see it is to get people of the unemployment figures. as when you are at A4E even though you are still collecting your dole you arnt classed as unemployed.

I was (suprise suprise ) not around at the creation of the welfare state, it is however a major step forward in creating a country fit for the returning heroes of WW2.

Anyone who thinks we can return to the dark days of before the welfare state are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I dont think we can, but it needs seriously re-organising.

People who attend A4e and other training providers for the 13 or 26 weeks do not count on unemployment statistics. If you calculate these figures country wide the true figures are massive.

Got any proof, other than Dail Wail articles?

(wondering who this is a reincarnation of, who have we "lost" recently?)

ffs so we should class the people made redundant from the caravans etc as criminals



Earn your dole, people have been paying NI & Tax so they are entitled to get the dole.

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Spot on

Dont agree I'm afraid. Its not a savings scheme. It should be the same for everyone and a last resort when work is not available.

Correct. It's an insurance scheme, and one of the things it insures against is being out of work.

While having a 'workfare' system may seem attractive in a tabloidesque way, the problem is that it won't just penalise the feckless and workshy - it will also penalise folk who have worked all their lives and are simply victims of circumstance.

Nope, read it, says they do pay tax, at a low level admittedly, but not "none"

for a start A4e dont force anyone to do anything. Nobody held a gun to your head did they. Greencore is rubbish yeah but its a job. honest pay for you and respect from your peers or do u want to be one of the millions on the queue???

second of all its closed mindedness like your comments which give a4e a bad name. sending you to "count steps" is new to me but all other activities etc are designed with skills development in mind. such as team work, confidence, self esteem, communication, assertiveness, equality, diversity, literacy, numeracy etc etc the list goes on.

Is it not ? I have worked for the last 26 years, and as I say I have paid my NI and tax so I feel I should be entitled if I face any unfortunate circumstances, I feel I should not as one poster suggested do community service

It isn't a savings scheme.

Reading some of your posts you clearly do not practice what you preach!!

Iraq=Orchard park is just one example I have read

You are correct, however it is an entitlement.