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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I have seen Radford on several occasions ghost through gaps by running a good line to score a try, if he gets the right half back to give him the ball.'" This just gets funnier and funnier we have had:
Radford punches holes
Radford ghosts through gaps
Radford runs good lines
I dread to think what you are going to say next.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Are you going back to Radders Mysons under 16s days in order to suit your argument Dave?'"
He ran through holes then, straight over the top of me!!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Before you mock any further based on your obvious dislike of radders i think you should review the last few seasons reviews, you may just surprise yourself!!'"
Why would anyone want a season review of the last few seasons!
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Why would anyone want a season review of the last few seasons!'"
Oh yeah Rovers fans.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Before you mock any further based on your obvious dislike of radders'" The thing i dislike is your constant preaching of the virtues of Radford and how great he is.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"The thing i dislike is your constant preaching of the virtues of Radford and how great he is.'"
Hardly constant preaching. I just see the value as a grafter he brings to the side, and i see the value as a 2nd row he has brought to our side and Bradford previously. He is regarded by his peers as one of the better professionals they have played with. I just dont see why based on people not rating him as a captain and him being used as a 3rd prop by Agar why people continue to give the guy a hard time. If every player played for FC like Radders has this season from an effort point of view we would be nowhere near the low place that we are in the league thats for sure.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hardly constant preaching. I just see the value as a grafter he brings to the side, and i see the value as a 2nd row he has brought to our side and Bradford previously. He is regarded by his peers as one of the better professionals they have played with. I just dont see why based on people not rating him as a captain and him being used as a 3rd prop by Agar why people continue to give the guy a hard time. If every player played for FC like Radders has this season from an effort point of view we would be nowhere near the low place that we are in the league thats for sure.'"
And he gets away some cracking off loads, a player with a suprising amount of skill in this area of the game
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"And he gets away some cracking off loads, a player with a suprising amount of skill in this area of the game'"
The radders bashers wont see that though!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I just see the value as a grafter he brings to the side'"
As I and THF have said before, he just doesn't bring any value. You haven't mentioned 'the little things' yet on this thread, but that is the usual catch-all phrase used to justify Radford's selection and I'm guessing those 'little things' are what you are referring to with the above comment. The problem with Radford is that it is these 'little things' that he doesn't do well and that's why he's nowhere near as good as, for example, Cusack.
Quote ="Big Dave T"The radders bashers wont see that though!'"
Because they usually aren't very good. Again, I've been through this before and picked out specific examples, but the quality of his offloads is generally poor. They are usually either thrown before he's engaged the defenders properly, negating a large part of the benefit of an offload, or they're thrown blindly, again not a good technique.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"As I and THF have said before, he just doesn't bring any value. You haven't mentioned 'the little things' yet on this thread, but that is the usual catch-all phrase used to justify Radford's selection and I'm guessing those 'little things' are what you are referring to with the above comment. The problem with Radford is that it is these 'little things' that he doesn't do well and that's why he's nowhere near as good as, for example, Cusack.
Because they usually aren't very good. Again, I've been through this before and picked out specific examples, but the quality of his offloads is generally poor. They are usually either thrown before he's engaged the defenders properly, negating a large part of the benefit of an offload, or they're thrown blindly, again not a good technique.'"
FFS your'e like one of those cave trolls in LOTR as soon as anybody mentions Radford in any kind of regard to what he does, out come THF and his sock TrU.
you don't like him, where others do, ...........tough live with it.
As a prop he's effective enough in 'What he does best' he bottles up the middle in defence, is tight around the ruck in defence a makes hard yards.
It's not the fault of others that you cannot see what others do.
You're so negative it's funny.
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| Quote ="me 'n' our kid"FFS your'e like one of those cave trolls in LOTR as soon as anybody mentions Radford in any kind of regard to what he does, out come THF and his sock TrU.
you don't like him, where others do, ...........tough live with it.
As a prop he's effective enough in 'What he does best' he bottles up the middle in defence, is tight around the ruck in defence a makes hard yards.
It's not the fault of others that you cannot see what others do.
You're so negative it's funny.'"
Indeed. opinions are great arent they, some people just respect others a little bit more than other people do.
Did make me chuckle with THF saying about me preaching his virtues. I simply talk about the positives i see and he talks about the negative he sees. Condascending from him as usual.
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| Quote ="me 'n' our kid"FFS your'e like one of those cave trolls in LOTR as soon as anybody mentions Radford in any kind of regard to what he does, out come THF and his sock TrU.
you don't like him, where others do, ...........tough live with it.
As a prop he's effective enough in 'What he does best' he bottles up the middle in defence, is tight around the ruck in defence a makes hard yards.
It's not the fault of others that you cannot see what others do.
You're so negative it's funny.'"
Rarely. Radford runs to the line, and then turns his back, thus negating his chance of making good yards. However, when he doesnt do this and runs forward he can make yards, but like i said, all too rarely
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| Quote ="Irregs #12"Rarely. Radford runs to the line, and then turns his back, thus negating his chance of making good yards. However, when he doesnt do this and runs forward he can make yards, but like i said, all too rarely'"
Used to do that all the time at Bradford, but there he had support so was able to offload on a regular basis.
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| Quote ="Irregs #12"Rarely. Radford runs to the line, and then turns his back, thus negating his chance of making good yards. However, when he doesnt do this and runs forward he can make yards, but like i said, all too rarely'"
To carry the debate on the twist in the tackle allows the offload and comes naturally from him being a backrower. If we are to use him as an out and out prop then he does need to work on this aspect.
Im not going to bore people with stats but ive just had a scan on superleague.co.uk for my own satisfaction and he is no worse than Cusack or Dowes, neither of whom are slated like Radders is. Why does Radders get the stick? My theory is because he is the captain and we have had a woeful 2 years, neither of which are valid reasons imo.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"To carry the debate on the twist in the tackle allows the offload and comes naturally from him being a backrower. If we are to use him as an out and out prop then he does need to work on this aspect.
Im not going to bore people with stats but ive just had a scan on superleague.co.uk for my own satisfaction and he is no worse than Cusack or Dowes, neither of whom are slated like Radders is. Why does Radders get the stick? My theory is because he is the captain and we have had a woeful 2 years, neither of which are valid reasons imo.'"
Whatever you say, Lee
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"To carry the debate on the twist in the tackle allows the offload and comes naturally from him being a backrower. If we are to use him as an out and out prop then he does need to work on this aspect.
Im not going to bore people with stats but ive just had a scan on superleague.co.uk for my own satisfaction and he is no worse than Cusack or Dowes, neither of whom are slated like Radders is. Why does Radders get the stick? My theory is because he is the captain and we have had a woeful 2 years, neither of which are valid reasons imo.'" and hes from Hull.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Whatever you say, Lee
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Used to do that all the time at Bradford, but there he had support so was able to offload on a regular basis.'"
So therefore you either bollock the players not supporting him, or, if we dont adopt the "offload" tactic, which we clearly dont - he should adapt his style to maximise the yardage he makes. When you turn your back in the tackle, you almost, 100% never land on your front for a quick play the ball, our major problem this season
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| Quote ="Irregs #12"So therefore you either bollock the players not supporting him, or, if we dont adopt the "offload" tactic, which we clearly dont - he should adapt his style to maximise the yardage he makes. When you turn your back in the tackle, you almost, 100% never land on your front for a quick play the ball, our major problem this season'"
But not just radford's problem hence me defending him a lot. We only actually seem to have a handful of players that do get a quick play the ball.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"But not just radford's problem hence me defending him a lot. We only actually seem to have a handful of players that do get a quick play the ball.'"
Moa and cusack are the only ones i can think of, and tickle at times.
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| Quote ="Irregs #12"So therefore you either bollock the players not supporting him, or, if we dont adopt the "offload" tactic, which we clearly dont - he should adapt his style to maximise the yardage he makes. When you turn your back in the tackle, you almost, 100% never land on your front for a quick play the ball, our major problem this season'"
Thats one of the reasons i don't subscribe to the theory of him being a prop. Prop is not as easy a position to play as many think, even more so when you have to adapt your style to suit the position rather than just play the role naturally.
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| Quote ="Irregs #12"Moa and cusack are the only ones i can think of, and tickle at times.'"
Cusack absolutely and Moa occasionally mainly due to their size. Tickle i agree but only once per game when he runs the right line to not have 3 defenders on him. Cant honestly think of anyone else, maybe Raynor due to his footwork. Motu used to every ptb.
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