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| Quote ="TommysDad"Totally agree Paul, Whiting's never another impact player like Luaki however, I do think the only way forward for him now is to start to 'nail down a position' most probably in the pack. Second row or L/Fseems to be the answer for now, although we do have other options. Whiting does need to bulk-up more, but he's never going to be Mr Universe, not that kind of frame. Even Whiting himself suggested a couple of seasons ago that he would like to play S/R. Also, I get sick of people saying he is slow, he is not. Whiting's very deceptive and while not a 100 yard sprinter, he certainly covers some ground pretty well.'"
Why is it 'the only way forward for him'?
I've no doubt he would like a regular position in the side, but he's made a pretty successful career out of being a utility man so far. The term 'utility man' has some negative connotations, but having a good one adds a huge amount of value to any squad.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Why is it 'the only way forward for him'?
I've no doubt he would like a regular position in the side, but he's made a pretty successful career out of being a utility man so far. The term 'utility man' has some negative connotations, but having a good one adds a huge amount of value to any squad.'"
There's no such position as Utilty.
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| Quote ="TommysDad"There's no such position as Utilty.'"
Eh?
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| There are no [uplaying positions [/uin Rugby League called 'Utility'.
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Announcement this week? At the bottom of the Radford story on the Hull site -
"Further additions to the team are expected imminently and these will be announced in due course on www.hullfc.com.
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"Further additions to the team are expected imminently and these will be announced in due course on www.hullfc.com.
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| Quote ="Dave K."So the rumours of a backrow foward are:
Jay Pitts
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Think JJB is unlikely, as I can't see him leaving Leeds.
Pitts would be an Ok signing for a bench/squad player, although still young has played SL for 4 years now and made over 40 appearances, so more experienced that our young players.
When he first came on the scene at wakey he looked outstanding, one of the best players I have seen at his age, up to now not really lived upto expectations, but could be a useful signing.
No quality out of contract players available so unless we chuck a big fee at contracted player and that's not to say it will be expected we might struggle to attract a better player than Pitts.
It's a shame Gentle wasn't appointed earlier as he could have maybe brough Flanagan to Hull.'"
Be no Leeds players coming in a mile of this club.
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| Jay pitts, is this a joke!
I know average is our middle name but come on.
I realise the buying of FC was to supposed to force the Councils hand with regards to the KC but even Kath would look beyond Jay WHO
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Quote ="K-Diddy"Announcement this week? At the bottom of the Radford story on the Hull site -
"Further additions to the team are expected imminently and these will be announced in due course on www.hullfc.com.'"
i read that has additions to the coaching team not the playing squad.
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Quote ="K-Diddy"Announcement this week? At the bottom of the Radford story on the Hull site -
"Further additions to the team are expected imminently and these will be announced in due course on www.hullfc.com.'"
i read that has additions to the coaching team not the playing squad.
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| Quote ="SirBlighty"Be no Leeds players coming in a mile of this club.'"
The ones we could use won't be leaving either.
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| Quote ="TommysDad"There are no [uplaying positions [/uin Rugby League called 'Utility'.'"
Agreed but maybe Utility should be changed to Average.
I was a supportere of Rich but the more I go through games been and gone I realise how average he is.
We are so used to average that we give Rich the time of day.,
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| Quote ="GEvans75"Agreed but maybe Utility should be changed to Average.
I was a supportere of Rich but the more I go through games been and gone I realise how average he is.
We are so used to average that we give Rich the time of day.,'"
The most ridiculous statement of the day goes to...
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| Quote ="GEvans75"We are so used to average that we give Rich the time of day.,'"
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"The most ridiculous statement of the day goes to...'"
Whiting is that good he's classed as a utility (average) player because we can't pin point his starting position because he's that good he can play everywhere.
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| Quote ="Greavsie"i read that has additions to the coaching team not the playing squad.'"
Never thought of it that way tbh, could mean either, suppose we'll know soon enough
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| Quote ="Dave K."Do we now need 2 more fowards with Radford retiring, pack as it stands
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With only four with first-grade experience, you definately need a prop, I reckon.
We have 9 now (Clinton, O'Hara, Netherton, Wheeldon, Paea, Lovegrove, Taylor, Watts, Beaumont), which is probably a bit excessive in fairness. Though a couple can play 2nd row and we may well go with a prop at LF.
Would you want Wheeldon back? He'd still count as club trained for you. Not that I want shot, he's pretty decent, but he might have more chances to play at Hull, as things stand.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"With only four with first-grade experience, you definately need a prop, I reckon.
We have 9 now (Clinton, O'Hara, Netherton, Wheeldon, Paea, Lovegrove, Taylor, Watts, Beaumont), which is probably a bit excessive in fairness. Though a couple can play 2nd row and we may well go with a prop at LF.
Would you want Wheeldon back? He'd still count as club trained for you. Not that I want shot, he's pretty decent, but he might have more chances to play at Hull, as things stand.'"
We need either a prop or a 2nd row. I'd rather us sign a 2nd row and shift Tickle up to prop when needed.
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| Quote ="TommysDad"There are no [uplaying positions [/uin Rugby League called 'Utility'.'"
Ah right, so you don't grasp that rugby league is a squad game these days then? Fair enough!
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| Quote ="GEvans75"Whiting is that good he's classed as a [uutility (average)[/u player because we can't pin point his starting position because he's that good he can play everywhere.
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That's the biggest mistake people make about Whiting's role.
Whatever you think of Whiting's abilities in different positions, the fact that he can do a 6/7 out of 10 job in [iso many[/i positions is a massive asset in itself, and means that his value to the squad is far from 'average'.
I can't understand why a lot of people seem so hell-bent on the idea that Whiting simply must nail down a position- he performs an invaluable role for the side as it is, and there's no reason he can't continue to do so.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."That's the biggest mistake people make about Whiting's role.
Whatever you think of Whiting's abilities in different positions, the fact that he can do a 6/7 out of 10 job in [iso many[/i positions is a massive asset in itself, and means that his value to the squad is far from 'average'.
I can't understand why a lot of people seem so hell-bent on the idea that Whiting simply must nail down a position- he performs an invaluable role for the side as it is, and there's no reason he can't continue to do so.'"
For me it's just that if he doesn't get a crack at a back row role where he can get his hands on the ball , use his brain a bit more and utilise what I think is his natural ability , we'll be left wondering whether his value could have been greater than it is as a utility.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Ah right, so you don't grasp that rugby league is a squad game these days then? Fair enough!'"
What is it that you can't grasp - plain English perhaps,
There is such No position (look at my spelling) in rugby league as 'Utility'.
Simple, unless youre Swahili.
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| Quote ="TommysDad"What is it that you can't grasp - plain English perhaps,
There is such No position (look at my spelling) in rugby league as 'Utility'.
Simple, unless youre Swahili.'"
By that score though are there officially any "positions" - i.e. winger, centre, half back are just names of positions that have come about over time and tactics. So by the same score perhaps "utility" could be one?
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| Quote ="Pookie"By that score though are there officially any "positions" - i.e. winger, centre, half back are just names of positions that have come about over time and tactics. So by the same score perhaps "utility" could be one?'"
Utility is a role, not a position. A role that Whiting plays very well. He is far from being an average player.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Utility is a role, not a position. A role that Whiting plays very well. He is far from being an average player.'"
Hooker and prop are both roles
second row and wing are positions
Who gives a $hit, get a life
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| Quote ="Willa"Hooker and prop are both roles
second row and wing are positions
Who gives a $hit, get a life'"
Listen, it wasn't me who was winging on about it anyway! To say 'Utility should be changed to Average' and 'We are so used to average that we give Rich (Whiting) the time of day' is ridiculous.
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