Sh!t to say it...but can't wait for next season just to have Sneyd pull the strings like last night...it was like watching Jonathan thurston playing in an under 10s game compared to what we've got used to.

Before the game I thoughtvwe could get a win, once the heavens opened and we lost horne that hope was gone

Cant fault the effort but again, dumb rugby, especially by danny houghton running down the touch line and being pushed into touch in those conditions was criminal, silly penalties again even if some were mind boggling, also thaler must really detest hulls two rugby teams, right on half time he blows for a penalty when westwood moves five paces of the mark to play the ball, harrison scoring from a forward pass and the worst one was monaghan being so far offside at the chip over he was in our defensive line

Thought we were bang average against a weak warrington side. Kicking awful, kick chases poor (did we even challenge the catcher on any bomb?) kick pressure poor and some poor one on one defence at times. Scoreline flattered us I thought and if it weren't chucking it down they'd have won by more.

We're so slow with playing the ball, our passing is awful and our "moves" are so telegraphed we're easy to close down. Can't fault the effort but I personally think there are some significant fundamental flaws in our game which won;t be addressed purely by recruitment.

Can't say I agree, Warrington barely got out of 3rd gear...though admittedly the conditions and shocking pitch meant it was never going to be a classic.

Pryce & Sneyd will improve us, but we are still several pieces of the jigsaw short IMO. The pack still struggles to make breaks and bust tackles, pretty much the whole team still looks clueless when faced with having to make an attacking move when the pressure is on (such as the pathetic attempt from the scrum right at the end) and Radford still hasn't proved to me that he is the coach to take us forward.

We have become the 'nearly men' of Rugby League, yes a close loss with a reasonable display is better than a heavy loss, but both give you the same amount of points at the end of the day.

We are pathetic in the opposition 20.
I think most supporters have written the season off as we wont even make the playoffs.
When you compare Gentle and Radford Peter Gentle had a horrific injury list to contend with yet we finished 6th in the league and appeared at Wembley in the challenge cup final then was sacked.
Under Radford we were knocked out of the Challenge cup in Hulls first match and wont even make the top eight yet he has the backing of Pearson.
Doesn't make sense.

Sums it up perfectly for me too.

We could quite easily finish 12th or 13th. Do people think that is acceptable?

Completely agree.

and i'll also add the final 3 mins as a great example of 'dumb' rugby. We had just scored a try that meant if we kicked the conversion we'd have been in with a chance of snatching a draw. We took what seemed like an age to get a kicking tee on and take the conversion wasting valuable time (the conversion in the end was a very good effort though)

we then got a scrum in Warringtons half, but instead of doing something inventive, like say getting the ball kick out the scrum and kicking for the corner, kicking up a high bomb and chasing...we decided to do the usual slow one man run to the line which of course did nothing.

these minor things we get wrong every week can be the difference between getting points or not.

I don't think it's acceptable to finish outside the 8, personally. But I'm being realistic about it. This squad and this coach are simply not top 8 standard. In fact we are often simply gash.

Another match like nearly every one of our defeats this season. We are competetive, we show plenty of effort and spirit, we defend reasonably well, but ultimately we make dumb errors and lack cohesion and as a result we fall short.

I can't be too disappointed with tonight. When Horne went off I thought it was going to be a very long night but we were still in the game until the final whistle. I agree that simply signing new half backs won't solve our problems though. The most important signing for is this year will be a top class attacking coach to work alongside Radford.

In light of the same old, same old, boring dumb rugby we play week in and week out and having to listen to an interview with Radford which could so be a re run of the previous weeks with the continual buzz phrase of game management being used why do people think next season will be any different?
I can't see even with the recruitment how things will change and my optimism for next season continues to ebb away.

If Rovers can bin off a coach who was faring better then us with a weaker squad why do we persevere with Radford?

AP will tolerate it this year. Doubt he will next year.

Good half backs will improve us, I have no doubt about that. But without the right coaching they can only take us so far.

I think the fact we can be competitive every week despite looking like a disorganised rabble tells you that we have some pretty good individual players, but we need everyone pulling the same way and doing the right things at the right time.

Sneyd and Pryce obviously know how to unlock a defence, but the other 11 on the field need to be able to play their part or it just won't work.

Wire seemed just as error prone as we were. Difference was that while they dropped the ball as much as us, we were guilty of making some horrific decisions. Houghton running down the short blind and getting pushed out (which he was lucky didn't happen the 2 times he'd tried it before then) and Talanoa giving a penalty away while we were in possession was criminal.

Brevity is not a strong point with Jake so for those of you with less time on their hands;

You were rubbish and will remain so with Radford.

I agree with all of that but for me I still think a new coach is paramount.
Powell has been at Cas and worked wonders in 14 months and I think the emergence of Sneyd this season under Powell is no coincidence.
I can't see how our current coaching incumbent will improve or develop that

our attack was like we were competing with Thaler for most incompetent act of the night.

Positives, Abdull can boot it into orbit and didn't take any pushing around, and Lancaster can shift!

Abdull might not take any pushing around, but iirc it was him Russell ran around for their first try.

I agree, as ive said on here before, it'd be a tough job for even the most experienced coach nevermind a rookie coach.

Thought radfords interview was absolutely bob on. Totally corect in what he said for me.
Our problems adressed before game n during yet we still making errors. Often the young lads, which is what it is. U get that. Add losing a half back early. The second halfback gone in 2nd half. The loss of the hooking interchange to cover that n fact you've a hooker at 7 means we'd always struggle tonight.
Bonus to see lancaster going well. Pace unreal in that 2nd try. Abdulls quickness of mind for lancasters 1st was pleasing to see.too.
combined with the weather as well as a couple of dubios ref calls im not gonna get to down about tonight

He went third man in the tackle a few times and just slipped off the legs. There are greater priorities for a halfback than defence though, sure he'll improve with time.

spot on airliebird

One thing positive about tonight

No play offs

A few more losses could still see us being close to the bottom, is it really nine years since Cardiff and the following year Old Trafford with so much promise. I have missed going to home games in recent years due to work commitments and to be honest I am not enjoying what I am seeing now. The cracks will be papered over and we will be offered this player and that player for next year I did not buy a season pass this year and I will not be buying one next. The game is suffering from bad decision making at every level now, the RFL is so backward looking in its outlook its unreal. Now whilst I am not going to blame the officials for tonight loss, they are a pretty poor bunch of individuals who collectively will destroy what is left without someone getting a grip any time soon.

So what would you recommend to make things better ? What should the RFL be doing and why are they to blame for your poor performances ?

Still not convinced what Tuson brings to the team