Done mine too.

Also asked for a new coach please.

Wont be buying a pass if we switch to Sundays as I won't be able to go often enough to make it worthwhile.

Done.

Voted to keep Fridays.

Still waiting for mine, grrrr

Sunday for me...Friday night is a freekin nightmare for us Lancastrians....
Yes I know Warrington is in Cheshire!!!
Not when I was born though.

Signed up and received the confirmation, but no survey as yet. When it does come I'm going to complain about late emails.

Same here .

just done mine - interesting to see how many votes Richard Whiting has compared to the others for supporter's player of the year. I reckon a there's quite a few on here who would disgree.

My last comment was that there's probably a silent majority that don't subscribe to the anti-Agar brigade's opinions.

They are very silent if that's the case, which I don't think it is.

I can honestly say that I personally don't know a single Hull fan (I mean away from this message board) that is in favour of him staying. I'm talking family, friends, colleagues and the people I sit near at the KC.

1 Near me blames the players all the time.....then we point out its Agar that sends them out with the "gameplan"

I'm glad you make the point about this site not necessarily being representative of the average fan's views. I think you can see by the paltry number of posts over the past weeks that it is no longer a site that people find appealing for discussing their club.

When I'm at the game, it is extremely rare that Agar's credentials come up. People tend to focus on individual performances (Briscoe dropping the ball for example) and, naturally, officiating. I know many who know that he might not be the best but that he also doesn't have the resources of the top four clubs (money, training facilities or playing staff). But he has potential. I think people like Noble have had their day and to bring him in would be a big backward step for me.

I personally wanted a top-four finish this year and/or a major final appearance and said on here that Richard Agar probably ought to go if this was not achieved. Well, if he doesn't achieve the GF (which looks pretty likely) then I would stand behind what I said. However, I do think that the team is looking more and more like the team I want to go to watch and I believe that is down to the coach but particulary a coach who has some options in the halves and doesn't have his main salary cap spend sitting in the stands. If they put 50 points past Cas and then beat Warrington convincingly it might just prove that the current form is not just a flash in the pan. If we reached the GF playing as we are now it would be a shame to let him go just as the club's investment in him begins to bear fruit.

As ever, just my humble opinion and I know it's not the most fashionale to be spouted here.

btw I haven't formed my opinions fully on our new owner yet.

I think a lot of it is the growing apathy towards the club. I find that not only is there less activity on here, there's less keenness in actually talking about the club to people I used to. It's become more of a passing joke. Fans are just disenchanted, there's only so much to say, and it's all been said because nothing is changing.



Completely undermines the rest of your post IMO. He has the maximum possible cap and has had transfer funds in the past too, and the squad of players is now one HE assembled. There are at least 2 clubs above us who can't say the same about all 3 points (actually 4, but Leeds and Saints did carry over good squads). He has had just about everything possible given to him, more than plenty of his counterparts have got to work with, and he has failed to deliver. If he has potential, what more exactly does he need for him to fulfil it?



The thing with that, is that we have consistently shown that what we tend to do is turn it on for a few games, mainly against bottom 4 teams, then either get complacement against a poor side and play abysmally or get brought back down to Earth with a bump once we play a decent side. There have been the Wire and Catalans games as a couple of exceptions (although there's an argument we caught Catalans on one of their bad days), but we need those to be far more often. Over 4 years what he's shown is that we'll come up short when it counts, I don't want us to overlook all of that just because of one ok run of results, they don't show that everything's all better.

I cannot believe there are still Agar apologists, he has had YEARS to sort it out.

Same here. Whilst I knew some who weren't as staunch about getting rid of him earlier in the season, there was nobody who was in his corner. Most of those indifferent about him have now got to the stage were they want rid too, though. I think enough is finally enough for most.

I would say that the vociferousnous of the calls for Agar are probably the minority, but not the desire to see the back of him.

Good - that's how opinions work - yours is different to mine


If you think that the salary cap is the thing that restricts quality of squad etc then your naivety (whilst heartwarming) undermines your post (I think the word you used was "completely"icon_wink.gif


This is the crux of my post. If this is another flash in the pan then you're right, but what if it isn't? If we flounder in the playoffs (or don't make them then let him go. If we make the GF then I believe he deserves anothe chance. However, there are those on here who would be rid of him whether or not we win the GF - that seems absurd to me.

Number one - I am no Agar apologist. Let's get that straight.

Number 2, perhaps he has sorted it out. I will judge at the end of the season. That's kind of my point.

I understand the point you are making, I just think it's invalid, he isn't good enough for Hull FC, that is a simple statement of the truth.

And what do they say to you. "Oh yes, you're absolutely right, he must have coached them to throw the ball, without looking, over his own try line so that unopposed Wigan players could choose which one of them should drop on it for an unopposed try?". Or do they say, on balance, there's a bit of both there: player errors and a coach still learning? I think the way the defence has improved over recent weeks is down to improvements in coaching but I feel the new grit is down to Fitz coming back in.

There isn't a cat in hell's chance of us making the Grand Final.

I agree the fact that you think that =#000080is a simple statement of the truth. However, I just think it's your =#000080opinion which you are perfectly entitled to have. I am just prepared to wait a few more matches before I agree with you.

sorry, Hull FC are a SUPER LEAGUE side, if he needs to learn he should be doing so in the National Leagues.

Would you get away with earning the top man wage but deliveringg an apprentice standard of work for so long?

Then I'll be expecting his departure. However, I won't be displaying any banners because I think he has done his best for the club he works for but just didn't get good enough quick enough.

I don't know if he is earning such a wage - I thought that was the fella across the river. The previous regime clearly were investing in him as a =#000080long-term project - much as he did with Moa (and that seems to have worked out well). As I say, my views were that this was his season. If he fails to make the GF then I'll be (a) sad that he didn't make the grade and (b) be happy to get a replacement as long as it's someone good. I don't see any new coaches coming from the lower leagues (do you?) so I guess he'll have to come from the Australian assistant pool.

I know. Don't take offense, I'm not having a pop, I'm just commenting on what you've stated on a public forum. I thought that was the point?



It's not the only thing, hence why I also mentioned other factors. It was the fact that you said he doesn't have the resources of others and specifically mentioned money and playing staff. The fact we spend the full cap and transfer fees shows that he has had the money to spend, and coupled with his 4-year tenure means that the quality of the playing staff is of his making. That's why I said it undermines your post, because you seem to have largely based it on 2 factors that are simply not true.



I don't think that last sentence is strictly true. I think some have said it in a sensationalist way simply because there is so little belief that there is even the remotest chance of it happening. Kind of an 'eat my hat' statement. My own opinion is that even if we make the playoffs and win a game, he should still go. If we make the GF I'll be astonished and honestly not know what to think.

All this cutting and pasting is doing my head in.

1. The opinion point - agreed (I was also agreeing with you)
2. This is not an academic paper. I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition and so didn't try to cover off every point in the entire world - it was a general statement and I expected people on here to give some leeway in the name of debate.
3. Your last sentence about if we make the GF you won't know what to think leaves me a little dumfounded. Isn't a trip to the GF what we all want?

btw - when I posted (some months ago) that I wanted a major final appearance this year or it was time for Agar to go, I also said that the following year should include a win at a major final. We want continual improvement.

2. I'm all for leeway, I just genuinely don't see where you think Agar has had limitation in what he has to work with (other than training facilities, which I didn't challenge). The points about money and playing staff simply aren't true. As I said, we are one of those who spend full cap, and how many other coaches are backed with transfer fees? I did ask, what other resources do you think Agar needs to be given to reach his potential? IMO he's had just about everything going and certainly more than most, so any failings are his.

3. I wouldn't know what to think because I'd be very unsure as to whether or not we could repeat it with him, and I fear it would be taken as a sign that aiming for 6-8th and hoping for a playoff run is acceptable. I think it will be a moot point though, as I really can't see it happening.