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| Quote ="Standee"the people having a dig at Gleeson should ask themselves if their opinion would be the same if it was Yeaman, or Horne.
It amazes me that the "keep battling on" mentality remains, stress and depression are very, VERY, awful things to suffer.'"
Disappointing to see that in this day and age there are still people who are utterly clueless about stress and depression and feel the need to spout off about something that they clearly know nothing whatsoever about.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"I have a very responsible and stressful job, I deal with it. If I can't deal with it then maybe I need another job, I am not entitled to that job and I work hard to ensure I keep it, I get paid pretty well and try to ensure that I earn that money. That's my responsibility.
If my missus left me with the kids then I would deal with it too, yeah I would feel sorry for myself but you have carry on, to be honest when I have had issues in my personal life the best place to be is work, takes your mind of it.'"
Now stop embarrassing yourself by displaying your ignorance.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Disappointing to see that in this day and age there are still people who are utterly clueless about stress and depression and feel the need to spout off about something that they clearly know nothing whatsoever about.'"
Apart from the odd poster, its not the condition existing that people disbelieve. It seems like there are two arguments going on.
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| I think bickering about his condition on an internet forum is pretty poor. Leave the guy to get well and talk about something else.
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| Quote ="Standee"and would Jake The Peg have been afforded the same leniency, I doubt it.
anyway..Glesson.'"
Of course I would. This place would collapse without me
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| Quote ="Kosh"Disappointing to see that in this day and age there are still people who are utterly clueless about stress and depression and feel the need to spout off about something that they clearly know nothing whatsoever about.'"
I chuckled at the ''perspective'' word he used in his opening post on this thread.
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| I've read the comments on this thread with interest, my Mum works in Mental Health and she deals with people everyday who suffer from stress and a whole host of issues, which have a detrimental impact on the individuals and those around them.
It's fascinating to hear people's views, I totally agree with some posters that no matter what's going on in your personal life, physically dragging yourself out of bed and going to work can take your mind off things, briefly. But I don't believe we can apply the same rule to each human being.
I personally applaud our club for acting like an organisation that does not turn a blind eye to 21st century issues such as stress...yes it can be a drain on the resouces of employers (both public or private), especially when people use it to their advantage to gain time off.....but in todays world I don't think professional sports, including the macho world of Rugby League, can afford to turn a blind eye to this.
I personally hope that Martin Gleeson recovers well, and at some point is in the right frame of mind to return to the field...he could be a key player for the remainder of his contract...but putting aside his ability....he is an employee of Hull FC and I'm proud we are supporting him.
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| Martin :
Get well soon, we the faithful are missing you already.
As we sing we support " In any kind of weather"
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| Quote ="steve_norton"Maybe I am too old fashioned but as someone who sees how easy it is for people to waste thousands of pounds of their employers money by taking time off for stress I think in a lot of instance its an easy way out. If you can't do your job because of stress then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place, too many people think the world owes them a living.
If Martin Gleeson has things going on in his personal life that need sorting out then by all means take time off work to sort them out but don't call it stress and set a timetable for that to happen and Martin to return to work.
Speaking generally, not about Martin Gleeson, we waste far too much money pandering to people who claim to be stressed and it seems an easy way out, especially since weak GP's seem only too willing to sign people off work for it. I know recently of a nurse who split up with her boyfriend and a doctor signed her off for a month for stress. We all payed for that and it was totally unnecessary. Modern life these days is pretty easy, we don't want for much and what we don't have the government generally gives us. A little perspective and more personal responsibility is needed.'"
Are you a Doctor or Mental Health Nurse ? Thought not.
1-5 people in this country will suffer with Mental Health problems in their life's, there are no rules as to who will suffer it can strike any-one. Many things can trigger a mental health problem and it can manifest itself in many ways often stress, anxiety and/or depression. GPs are not weak like you imply, as there are so many people suffering GPs are more than capable of diagnosing, believe me there are very clear signs...There is sadly still a lot of stigma and ignorance attached to mental illness which really does not help clients.
It matters very little what may or may not have triggered Martins illness, what matters is he is given full support in his recovery.
I wish him all the best in his recovery.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"It matters very little what may or may not have triggered Martins illness, what matters is he is given full support in his recovery. I wish him all the best in his recovery.'"
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| I'm glad this thread has stayed open, apart from one comment it has not required any moderating. Especially when compared to threads on the Wire and Wigan forums.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"No ones doubting that Standee but in all honesty it sounds like after leaving Wigan he needed to take time away from the game and get himself right. Instead, FC waved a wad of cash in his face and he couldnt say no which in my mind doesnt show the player or the club in the best of light. If he leaves then it was all pointless. If he stays but doesnt play for ages then what was the point again? All seems a bit of a mess with of course FC in the middle of it yet again'"
imo he came back into the public domain too soon........may have been better if he had the willpower to say no to the cash Hull showed him.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"Maybe I am too old fashioned but as someone who sees how easy it is for people to waste thousands of pounds of their employers money by taking time off for stress I think in a lot of instance its an easy way out. If you can't do your job because of stress then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place, too many people think the world owes them a living.
If Martin Gleeson has things going on in his personal life that need sorting out then by all means take time off work to sort them out but don't call it stress and set a timetable for that to happen and Martin to return to work.
Speaking generally, not about Martin Gleeson, we waste far too much money pandering to people who claim to be stressed and it seems an easy way out, especially since weak GP's seem only too willing to sign people off work for it. I know recently of a nurse who split up with her boyfriend and a doctor signed her off for a month for stress. We all payed for that and it was totally unnecessary. Modern life these days is pretty easy, we don't want for much and what we don't have the government generally gives us. A little perspective and more personal responsibility is needed.'"
If you have the minerals to make that known the next time you need medical attention, then I fear for your safety. Of course you could always get a nurse / doctor who's mind is not 100% focused on giving the right treatment / dosage of drugs as they are mentally all over the place due to a personal trauma to look after you
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"imo he came back into the public domain too soon........may have been better if he had the willpower to say no to the cash Hull showed him.'"
or maybe he'd have been better off if Wigan had looked after him?
it seems Martin is fortunate he's come to a club that takes responsibility for the physical and mental wellbeing of it's staff seriously.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"
'Whilst the Mail cannot disclose the full details of the illness it has nothing to do with alcohol or failing a drugs test. Gleeson is not suffering any sort of injury He has not been in a fight or breached his contract with Hull Fc'
'in an effort to protect Gleesons Privacy the club have contacted the RL to enlist their help'
'To their credit the club wil not discuss the situation with anyone'
Mods this is an exact quote and is in the publc domain thanks to James Smailes.'"
thats a good statement in one way.....but in another way it isnt.
it narrows it down to what exactly?.........a mental breakdown of some kind, brought about by personal problems?
whatever it is........i would like to see him play again......hes too good a player for the scrapheap.
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| Quote ="Standee"or maybe he'd have been better off if Wigan had looked after him?'"
the difference must be in the wording of his contracts at Wigan, and Hull.
part of the Wigan clubs statement when we released him was.."breaches of club discipline"..iirc
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| Quote ="Kosh"
Now stop embarrassing yourself by displaying your ignorance.'"
How do you know I am ignorant ? Just because I don't share the same view as you ?
Are you saying its right that the taxpayer should pay someone to sit at home for a month because they have split up with their boyfriend, or pay a teacher for a year because its too noisy in their classroom or because they just failed their Ofsted inspection ? I am certainly not ignorant of those.
As I said, if people have serious issues they need to take care of, meet them head on, sort them as best as possible and crack on. If you can't handle it then maybe you need to change jobs or change your situation.
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Quote ="Standee"or maybe he'd have been better off if Wigan had looked after him?
it seems Martin is fortunate he's come to a club that takes responsibility for the physical and mental wellbeing of it's staff seriously.'"
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news
theres the statement.
read it.
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it seems Martin is fortunate he's come to a club that takes responsibility for the physical and mental wellbeing of it's staff seriously.'"
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news
theres the statement.
read it.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"How do you know I am ignorant ?'"
I can read.
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| Different folks different strokes ,things affect different people different ways .This topic should be locked .Stress affects people of all ages and from all different types of back ground .I had a relation who was suffering from stress no one knew .Sadly he is no longer with us .Leave Martin Gleeson alone to sort his own troubles out . I imagine he will pay us back as a club next season
Hull Fc are doing the right thing by standing by him
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| Can we not get into what happened at Wigan, this thread is about the here and now.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"How do you know I am ignorant ? Just because I don't share the same view as you ?
Are you saying its right that the taxpayer should pay someone to sit at home for a month because they have split up with their boyfriend, or pay a teacher for a year because its too noisy in their classroom or because they just failed their Ofsted inspection ? I am certainly not ignorant of those.
As I said, if people have serious issues they need to take care of, meet them head on, sort them as best as possible and crack on. [uIf you can't handle it then maybe you need to change jobs or change your situation[/u.'"
or commit suicide if neither of those are an option?
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| We seem to be getting further and further away from the subject now so I think maybe it's time to leave this here. The majority of posts are in support of Martin and the club and there isn't much more we can say about it at this time.
Lets hope he gets well and we see him back soon doing what he does best on the pitch.
Thanks.
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