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| Quote ="dayvoz"didn't o'carroll,mossop,farrell and tuson gain virtually all their experience last season and in doing so played a significant role in wigan,s best season for years,get yourself more positive and show some belief in our younger players'"
cant say that , obviously your wrong ....arent you???
actually well said mate
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| Quote ="EXPRO"so what is the reason we didnt get any of the players we spoke to ??'"
Simply:
A. We did not pay enough
B. They did not want to come
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| Quote ="EXPRO"westerman is a very good half when needed !!! and all part of the plan!!
and again it seems everyone has forgotten that long is not NOT injured at present so why the hysteria from so many is beyond me'"
How many games did he play for Saints in his last 2 season there!!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Simply:
A. We did not pay enough
B. They did not want to come'"
A. they / agents / clubs wanted more than they were realistically worth.
B. they didnt want to come because they wanted to stay and fight for their places at their current clubs
what i said earlier i agree!!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"A. they / agents / clubs wanted more than they were realistically worth.
B. they didnt want to come because they wanted to stay and fight for their places at their current clubs
what i said earlier i agree!!'"
Well Warrington, Wigan etc clearly pay players what they are realistically worth and we are clearly not prepared to as they would be here!!
Players like Sammut, Chase and do not have to fight for their places
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"How many games did he play for Saints in his last 2 season there!!'"
but the past has no bearing on this coming season does it?? unless he is carrying the same injuries which it appears he is not, lets hope your proved wrong over the season huh I am sure you agree.
with a fit SL playing alongside westy, Horne and Fitz i think that is one huge bag of thought process that will cause most teams to loose sleep this year , add to that the fact that westy is a born support runner as we know then the offloading of Manu, Moa and omeley will be a massive thorn to all we face, i feel really confident going into this year dont you??
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"icon_frustrated.gif
Well Warrington, Wigan etc clearly pay players what they are realistically worth and we are clearly not prepared to as they would be here!!'"
why head banging??
your dead right 1000% we pay people what they are realistically worth hence we didnt persue some any further well said!!!
we also made some fantastic offers for Myler etc above what they are paid presently however he and others decided to stay put !!
again no hidden agendas or anything just good business sense
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| Quote ="EXPRO"but the past has no bearing on this coming season does it?? unless he is carrying the same injuries which it appears he is not, lets hope your proved wrong over the season huh I am sure you agree.
with a fit SL playing alongside westy, Horne and Fitz i think that is one huge bag of thought process that will cause most teams to loose sleep this year , add to that the fact that westy is a born support runner as we know then the offloading of Manu, Moa and omeley will be a massive thorn to all we face, i feel really confident going into this year dont you??'"
Of course a players injury record has a bearing, especially when you are coming towards the end of your career.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Of course a players injury record has a bearing, especially when you are coming towards the end of your career.'"
But his replacement at saints has been injured more than he has so like i have said he was unlucky last year and even you must agree it was freakish how many bad knocks he took .
however the FACT is he is at present fit as a fiddle and looks in great shape and hoping to have a season that warrants a contract extention for another year .
lets hope he has a blinder huh because non of us have a crystal ball so we just dont know do we, but better to be positive about it huh
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| the guy can bearly open his eye and the injuries he has suffered injuries that would effect anyone at the end of their careers.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"why head banging??
[uyour dead right 1000% we pay people what they are realistically worth hence we didnt persue some any further well said!!![/u
we also made some fantastic offers for Myler etc above what they are paid presently however he and others decided to stay put !!
again no hidden agendas or anything just good business sense'"
Do you actually bother reading peoples posts
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Simply:
A. We did not pay enough
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Or Westerman's transfer fee, was paid by Berrigan's salary.
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Well Warrington, Wigan etc clearly pay players what they are realistically worth and we are clearly not prepared to as they would be here!!'"
If you were a player and had exactly the same package on the table from us and Wigan, who would you sign for?
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| Quote ="Kosh"If you were a player and had exactly the same package on the table from us and Wigan, who would you sign for?'"
Exactly...however that does not mean agents view us as rich so put in over inflated offers, it could mean we may have to pay a price to take into account the different variables. So the reason players do not come is they do not want to, or the price is not right.
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| Is it me or does anyone else think that these rumour threads have run their course now and are pretty pointless since it looks like we wont be signing anyone befor the season starts, ther isnt a runour on here for the last five pages possibly even more.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"but the past has no bearing on this coming season does it?? '"
Did someone forget to tell this to Calderwood?
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| Quote ="BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE"Is it me or does anyone else think that these rumour threads have run their course now and are pretty pointless since it looks like we wont be signing anyone befor the season starts, ther isnt a runour on here for the last five pages possibly even more.'"
Nope cos we still get the usual "we should sign xxx for 2015"
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"Nope cos we still get the usual "we should sign xxx for 2015"'" Who does xxx play for
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Exactly...however that does not mean agents view us as rich so put in over inflated offers, it could mean we may have to pay a price to take into account the different variables. So the reason players do not come is they do not want to, or the price is not right.'"
To be fair, he said [icash[/i rich - i.e. they know that we have spare cap space right now and the finance to fill it. This might encourage agents to push the asking price further than usual in the belief that we might pay more than normal given our current circumstances.
I take it you're not suggesting that we should just stump up whatever the player/agent first asks for?
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| Quote ="kt170496"Who does xxx play for
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more to the point is xxx a h/back!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"cant say that , obviously your wrong ....arent you???
actually well said mate'"
Well said? He was actually wrong. Only Farrell gained all his experience last season. O'Carroll debuted in 2006 and has played over 50 games for Wigan. Mossop debuted in 2008 and has played over 30 games. Tuson also debuted in 2008, but was shipped out on loan. He got experience at Castleford before even coming into consideration again for Wigan.
Quote ="EXPRO"westerman is a very good half when needed !!! and all part of the plan!!
and again it seems everyone has forgotten that long is not NOT injured at present so why the hysteria from so many is beyond me'"
Is this the same Westerman that has started ONCE at stand off for Castleford?
These are the reasons why we do so poorly in games FFS! We rely on players with very little experience or natural ability in these positions because we think they'll do a job. If they could do a job, they'd have it as their position! We don't have a back up hooker that is a hooker. We don't have a back up half that is a half. We don't have a back up full back that is a full back. And three of our six prop options this year (Radford, Fitz, Lauaki) are second rowers!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"more to the point is xxx a h/back!'" I think he is a Second rower
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| Quote ="Kosh"To be fair, he said [icash[/i rich - i.e. they know that we have spare cap space right now and the finance to fill it. This might encourage agents to push the asking price further than usual in the belief that we might pay more than normal given our current circumstances.
[uI take it you're not suggesting that we should just stump up whatever the player/agent first asks for?[/u'"
Absolutely not...however what I find frustrating is we beat Wigan for Longy (yet he was 30 years old and near the end of his career!) , yet it appears we will not dig too deep for a young h/back..and we have berro's money, we are in the black and sell loads of shirts etc...
Don't get me wrong we may have already signed some-one or have some irons in the fire....but to suggest we are a club who are cash rich and agents are just taking the mick as an excuse as to why we have not made a signing is poor, considering we dug deep to get Longy.
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