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| emailed to all Hull FC board and Carl Minns as follows;
I don't know where to begin with this issue, but feel I have to e-mail you as this is an embarrassment to Hull FC and the city of Hull, please please can you address this ongoing and awful issue before the next season begins. This is taken from the Black and Whites website and a number of posts:
I hope that the morons who derived pleasure from mimicking the gentleman in the wheelchair with cerebal palsy feel proud of themselves . He is a lifelong Hull fan whose brother actually played for the first team , after a very enjoyable stadium tour he was subjected to this abuse , resulting in the removal of 2 of the group , this totally ruined his match day experience . Going to the KC is one of the few pleasures that he has in life and had actually volunteered to sit down there to allow a more disabled supporter access to his normal place on the special platform.
So once again well done I hope that you are all very proud of yourselves .
Unfortunately this was not an isolated incident and there will be people including myself sadly who will be seriously thinking of not returnin g to the KC next year.
It just breaks my heart to hear that this gentleman has been put through this, these fans need dealing with and not ignoring and I for one will not ignore it. Please let him know that these people are an ignorant mindless minority and its just a shame that they put a smear on the name of Hull FC and the fans who support the Club. The only problem is the Club will need help from the fans to name and shame every one of them, no excuses anymore.
The hostility in the KC on Friday was the worst I have known it and I have attended a Derby there, after hearing this I know what I have to do and I think as fans you need to think about it too.
Gill J wrote: Thanks Steph for your comment,
Reading that OP upset me simply because I know how hard the staff at FC work to give people a good and safe experience at the ground, the problem is it is not just one or two people that give FC a bad name, its a group, a section of the crowd and the Club will need the support of the fans to deal with this
I can only now give a little information as to our problems that Friday night as the man concerned has been in Court and is now at Her Majesties pleasure for the next 3 months for attacking us with cans of butane gas cans and threatened us with lighting them. We hope the repair bill of about £800 to our car might be met by Criminal Compensation Scheme otherwise we will have to foot the bill to have it put right. The fear, pain and the trauma felt by me and my husband, Mum and friend will take longer to heal. I'm just pleased now that my husband managed to apprehend the culprit until the Police arrived. As you say I have been to the KC many times but never have I felt like this and I just feel so very sorry for the many FC fans who do not deserve to be associated with these idiots. I also feel very sorry for Hull FC as a Club to have to deal with these people.
I am so sorry for your awful experience, I have to admit it has really upset me as my mum is disabled, if anything similar happened to her I'd be heartbroken.
Why as a club have we not dealt with this issue, it's embarrasing at nearly every game, we should be using the CCTV available and banning these idiots from returning. I also agree that making the area reserved would help.
I shall e-mail the club, SMC and whoever else I can think of as I can't tolerate this carrying on any longer
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I would like asssurance from the club and Hull City Council and the SMC (of whom I can't find an e-mail address for) that action and precautions will be taken to ensure this does not continue.
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| Quote ="cazz" The hostility in the KC on Friday was the worst I have known it and I have attended a Derby there, after hearing this I know what I have to do and I think as fans you need to think about it too.
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I understand that these idiots need removing from the stadium and RL in general, but to say the hostility was worse then a Derby or Leeds game for that matter is an over reaction!
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| You can not eject them from the ground or stop them coming in as it would probably cause a scene that is not fair for any families with kids attending to see.
The best way is to cctv identify them in the act and have a police officer collar them on the way out and tell them not to come back again as they are not welcome.
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| Quote ="muddyboots"You can not eject them from the ground or stop them coming in as it would probably cause a scene that is not fair for any families with kids attending to see.
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Disagree with that. It may cause a scene but that shouldnt be a reason for not ejecting them imo.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Disagree with that. It may cause a scene but that shouldnt be a reason for not ejecting them imo.'"
At Wakey last Saturday i witnessed some fat, gobby, slapper get ejected from the ground. Her language made my hair curl, yet she was let back in because she had her kids with her.
They should have ejected them all imo. End of.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"At Wakey last Saturday i witnessed some fat, gobby, slapper get ejected from the ground. Her language made my hair curl, yet she was let back in because she had her kids with her.
They should have ejected them all imo. End of.'"
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| Quote ="muddyboots"You can not eject them from the ground or stop them coming in as it would probably cause a scene that is not fair for any families with kids attending to see.
The best way is to cctv identify them in the act and have a police officer collar them on the way out and tell them not to come back again as they are not welcome.'"
So if they do this in the first 20 mins of the game and continue, the stewards should let them continue in order not to cause a scene. Then have them arrested on the way out. Are you for real.? Its far better to have a moments disruption to eradicate the idiots who will spoil it for the true fans immediately as opposed to alienating the true fan for the whole game.
I think one or two on here are starting to condone the idiots. The bottom line is that we signed a charter in 2000 which is relevant today as it was then. The club have turned a blind eye to this and we as true fans should start to ensure that the club and SMC revistit that charter and make sure it is complied with.
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| Quote ="hfc herts"So if they do this in the first 20 mins of the game and continue, the stewards should let them continue in order not to cause a scene. Then have them arrested on the way out. Are you for real.? Its far better to have a moments disruption to eradicate the idiots who will spoil it for the true fans immediately as opposed to alienating the true fan for the whole game.
I think one or two on here are starting to condone the idiots. The bottom line is that we signed a charter in 2000 which is relevant today as it was then. The club have turned a blind eye to this and we as true fans should start to ensure that the club and SMC revistit that charter and make sure it is complied with.'"
What charter?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"What charter?'"
Fans charter from the when "hull city fans " invaded the pitch and took the goalposts down.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"What charter?'"
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/hull-fans-urged-to-sign-code-of-conduct-723113.htmlThis one.[/url
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| Quote ="clubfoot fc"Fans charter from the when "hull city fans
" invaded the pitch and took the goalposts down.'"
Damn those Kempton Fusiliers.
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| Quote ="hfc herts"....I think one or two on here are starting to condone the idiots....'"
I am beginning to get that impression too.
Before long posters will be saying they only do it because they are
"black and white through and through"
"lifelong supporters"
"passionate about their club"
and similar b*ll*cks.
You can be all these things without being a mindless moronic yob.
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| Quote ="westjba"i saw this idiot outside west park, he was actually sniffing the gas, then he tried to set fire to the phonebox, scruffy tool, old hull shirt on with barnett on the back?? was thinking to myself, what must visiting fans think when they see idiots like this?? if i had known what this t0$$a was leading up to, id have took the gas and rammed it down his scruffy throat!! my daughter whos 5 is disabled, and she really want to go to the KC to watch rugby, no idiot would say out to her, but tbh, i must miss everything, because i have never witnessed anything like been mentioned!!!'"
That sounds like him, he was as high as a kite and had a captive audience sadly as we were in standing traffic on the flyover. I think as it turned out that the best thing happened, he was detained by my hubby until the Police arrived which was quickly, he is a big lad the hubby, 6 ft and 15 stone but sometimes to brave for his own good but we both love the game of RL too much to let this idiot get away. Nobody else should end up in trouble because of this guy though, he was dealt with the best way to be honest.
As for the statement I made about the atmosphere being worse that at the FC v Rovers derby games I've attended at a neutral observer, it really felt that way. Was it because we were closer than usual to that corner I'm not sure but it was awful. I wish I had used my recorder as I sometimes do, you could have heard what we were hearing first hand. I also feel so sad regarding the gentleman mocked due to his disability, he was one of your own which muct in some ways have hurt him more, I hope it does not put him off attending the games of the Club he loves, it was just unfortunate that he was where he was but the reaction of the true FC fans on here should help him realise that it is only a minority who behave like this.
The problem now for FC as a Club is that policing does not come cheap and I know that a lot is paid for that already and unfortunately the incident for us took place on the only road out of Hull for most away fans, the flyover and its been a flashpoint before. Maybe that needs to have a bobby or two just wandering up and down until the traffic clears of away fans or the only other solution might be to held away fans back until they have a clean run out of Hull, the problem there is that people don't want to be held in the ground they want to get away. That's a tough problem, what we as Bulls fans will do is make sure we are parked together in future at the KC, if we have to book parking months in advance, and leave together. The SMC have been great but FC as a club also need to look and think about how this can be avoided in future, it will probably involve more costs though which is the last thing Clubs need.
It's just upsetting to me as I know so many FC fans who are mortified as is shown on this thread about the incidents mentioned, we know its a rarity that physical violence erupts sadly the 'Chav Corner' is another matter altogether. Many thanks to those that have mailed me I will be putting your comments together and sending them to the SMC and thanks.
Gill.
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| Quote ="Kosh"[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/hull-fans-urged-to-sign-code-of-conduct-723113.htmlThis one.[/url'"
I didn't sign the Charter, why should I? I stayed in my seat during the Hudds riots. That Charter is a load of balls anyway. They only wasy to stop this is for there to be a KC Policy in place that everyone who enters the ground MUST adhere to - not sure if one is in place??
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| Quote ="Gill J"Thats him, he was as high as a kite and had a captive audience sadly as we were in standing traffic on the flyover.
'" well gill, i am sorry you and your family was a victim, of this mindless idiot, dont let it put you off coming to the KC, believe me were not all like that!! every club has a few idiots latching on to them, calling them fans would be a diservice to the real fans, but how do we get rid of them??
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| Quote ="GM1"I didn't sign the Charter, why should I? I stayed in my seat during the Hudds riots. That Charter is a load of balls anyway. They only wasy to stop this is for there to be a KC Policy in place that everyone who enters the ground MUST adhere to - not sure if one is in place??'"
A charter or a KC policy are unimportant here. It all boils down to whats acceptable behaviour in a public place. If people behaved like those 'fans' in a city centre nightclub they'd be ejected by the doorstaff.
If they behaved like that walking down the street they'd be liable for arrest by the police.
Because they do it in a stadium it suddenly goes un-punished. Charters and policies aside, surely its more whats right and whats wrong?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"A charter or a KC policy are unimportant here. It all boils down to whats acceptable behaviour in a public place. If people behaved like those 'fans' in a city centre nightclub they'd be ejected by the doorstaff.
If they behaved like that walking down the street they'd be liable for arrest by the police.
Because they do it in a stadium it suddenly goes un-punished. Charters and policies aside, surely its more whats right and whats wrong?'"
I fully agree, all i am saying is that the Charter is unimportant here. If people can't control themselves then they should not be allowed to watch any sport. Like any stadia across the world, CCTV is in operation but the powers that be decide not to use it.
A few years back, in the KC a guy jumped over the barrier to confront the ref at a Hull FC game. He was ejected from the ground, but was able to re-enter for the next home game. If this isn't stopped, then nothing will be!
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| Quote ="clockwork mouse"I hope that the morons who derived pleasure from mimicking the gentleman in the wheelchair with cerebal palsy feel proud of themselves . He is a lifelong Hull fan whose brother actually played for the first team , after a very enjoyable stadium tour he was subjected to this abuse , resulting in the removal of 2 of the group , this totally ruined his match day experience . Going to the KC is one of the few pleasures that he has in life and had actually volunteered to sit down there to allow a more disabled supporter access to his normal place on the special platform.
So once again well done I hope that you are all very proud of yourselves .'"
total morons.the problem is,they are mostly kids,who have no respect for anyone.tackle them on their own and they drop down like flies!!
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| Quote ="muddyboots"You can not eject them from the ground or stop them coming in as it would probably cause a scene that is not fair for any families with kids attending to see.
The best way is to cctv identify them in the act and have a police officer collar them on the way out and tell them not to come back again as they are not welcome.'"
I disagree - surely it's better for the kids to see them being dealt with. It will show that rugby league will not tolerate this sort of behaviour. By ignoring it in the ground, it is not fair on the person/people being subjected to this sort of idiocy and gives the impression that it is acceptable - which it is not.
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| sorry to hear of both incidents, these morons embarrass all true hull fc fans
only way to get rid of the chav corner is to possibly do with what hull city did a few seasons ago, close that area down for supporters, other than that make the south stand the only choice for all under 16s who want a pass but don't go with an adult.
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| It's about time something was done about that lot.
Quote ="number 6"other than that make the south stand the only choice for all under 16s who want a pass but don't go with an adult.'"
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| Quote ="clockwork mouse"I hope that the morons who derived pleasure from mimicking the gentleman in the wheelchair with cerebal palsy feel proud of themselves . He is a lifelong Hull fan whose brother actually played for the first team , after a very enjoyable stadium tour he was subjected to this abuse , resulting in the removal of 2 of the group , this totally ruined his match day experience . Going to the KC is one of the few pleasures that he has in life and had actually volunteered to sit down there to allow a more disabled supporter access to his normal place on the special platform.
So once again well done I hope that you are all very proud of yourselves .'"
Scumbags deserve to be banned for life. Hope the said gent in the wheelchair is able to put it down to ignorant, ill-educated, immature idiots.
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| Quote ="hull_lad01"Scumbags deserve to be banned for life. '"
We all know that. Lets hope the club and SMC agree.
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| the true fan in the wheelchair who was taunted by the brainless chavs in the NE corner,probably has more understanding of the game in his little finger then those village idiots have in their miniscule brains<if>.the club anounce before every game ,foul languidge will not be tolerated,but in row N e7,there is a chap whose mouth is absolutly shocking,and do we see a steward saying anything to him ? no.so why are they employed if they are afraid to confront the perpetrators???
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| Close it, sit them among the East Stand faithful and be 'educated'.
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