Wigan were also interested in Dobson and said that they offered a "chocolate bar" and Rovers offered him "the factory". Like us, Wigan couldn't accomodate Dobson and stay under the salary cap.

Thorman is a decent player but not a world beater - He has not imposed himslef in recent games but when he does i think he makes a big difference on the team - I still think we need a world class 7 next season; Thorman will be good enough to get in the play-offs but lacks the killer edge to get us all the way to Old Trafford

You mean we put our money where our mouth is and got the player in we wanted and needed. Stupid business that

Dont believe at all you was spending at the full cap last season!

Sure I remember you signing someone after losing out on Dobson.

What Dobson wanted and Rovers were in a position to pay (i.e. the "whole factory" that Noble referred to, as opposed to the "chocolate bar"icon_wink.gif would have taken us over.

You assume

We had a lot of injuries last season. We had numerous players in on loan that we wouldn't have expected to have needed to pay for when planning the salary cap spend - just off the top of my head, Danny Williams, Jodie Broughton and Adel Fellous, plus we brought in Jamie Thackray fairly early on. Don't forget we were paying a fair wedge for Adam Dykes, Matt Sing, Garreth Carvell as well. We had some money left under the cap, but not enough for Dobson's "chocolate factory" level of wage demands.

But then again we don't know what he gets payed

i wonder if dykes has had his injury sorted out yet. i'd have him back in a flash if i knew he would be fully fit.

you are peter sharpe and i claim my £5.

Thorman has not impressed me



ok i think he's rubbish

Thormans rubbish, has anyone told him you can kick up field and not just left and right? And if possible kick to your own players and not the opposing teams.

More than Thorman, about £130k pa

thorman was embarrasing on sunday he better get his act together on friday if hes picked his kicking into touch is appalling needs to practice ALOT!!

so every body just watches one player have a bad game

its a team game.. the all team on Sunday were Shi-- ..We only played for about 15 minutes to rate anybody I would find its hard to give anybody more then 5 out of ten.. and the 5 is for them going onto the pitch

..before people have a go ..I have got my tickets for the Saints game on Monday ..When we get beat I don't put defeat down to individuals

Again Horne was equally as bad, but no thread or slagging him off on here!

Funny that eh.

Thorman seems to be the new whipping boy, bet Tommy Lee is happy though



Thorman seems to be doing at decent job the job I thought he would do, nobody was slagging him off until we get beat.

Not many halfbacks can play well behind a beaten pack and thats what has been happening the last few games.

Ok his kicking has been a bit hit and miss and he has made a few mistakes, but who hasnt in the last couple of games.

His kicking game is the biggest letdown, I mean from the pov of kicking near the tryline when it is clearly not on. When our pack has been on top then he has done well.

A number of times on Sunday he had plenty of time to pick his spot with his mid range kicks only to find a Salford player on the full. He has to improve this and his decision making under pressure. By no means Hull's main problem though as some have suggested.

There may be no thread, but any number of people have mentioned that Horne isn't playing well.

Anyway - do you really expect a rational discussion of individual players on here?

Im not starting on this again, im laughing at your post saying that stats are captured subjectives but you'd rather believe other sources of information such as what people see and hear which are far more subjective. Was a bit of an odd statement to be honest when you start talking subjectivity of stats.

Cos the mistakes we make look down to fatigue, thats not their fault (other than the ones on the booze the night before)

When we have the ball in hand we have some of the best players going, we just dont use them. Our boring 5 drives and a kick is knackering our forwards stopping them winning the collision and putting us under more pressure. We only use 9 or 10 interchanges and arent smart with the ones we make. The players occasionally take the wrong option, Thorman for example is being slated for one poor kick and other than that he played to Agars tight tactics.

Its Agars fault for either setting the wrong tactics or not getting the message out to play to the correct tactics during the last handful of games, as well as using his interchanges poorly. He looks clueless.

But I didn't say that. I merely pointed out that the kind of thing mentioned would not be captured by statistics but has a big impact on the defensive effectiveness of a player. Hence my distrust of stats as an absolute measure.

I form my own opinion of players. If I'm going to be using subjective information, it might as well be from my own subjective viewpoint.

least you would agree with it then i guess. (or maybe not?)