You missed the point. SM said that the Ellis factor would have players and their agents knocking our door down to sign. He was clearly alluding to quality players that would improve us. The opposite has been true in that we have been scouring the world looking for players and offering massive deals to get them here. They haven't come. The Ellis factor hasn't apparently worked. For what it's worth I thought that it would have a positive effect but there has been no sign of it at all with regard to signings hence my disappointment , not anger.

I have said previously that I thought the club was too open about its transfer dealings and got a slating for it.

TBH I don't think it scuppered the Prince deal because he clearly wanted to stay in Oz and his agent has managed to bring that about. The Prince saga may harm our chances of getting Miller though.

So far as Holdsworth is concerned no he is not a world beater. Equally he is not ruibbish. He is a lot better than average. He was in fact the best available and I think we did well to sign him. He will do much better in our team behind our pack than he did at Salford.

I fully understand your point of view but I for one (along with many others) 100% agree with what AP said , the two players we had at 6+7 are not good enough to take us to the next level and it was like a breath of fresh air to hear our owner come out and say what the vast majority of fc fans have been saying for years (or at least since paul cooke left). Maybe in hine sight he should have kept quiet but im glad he didnt tbh

How do we know we haven't had quality players offered?
Looks at the players that have moved club so far this off-season, the biggest deal involves us (Ellis) as does the second biggest (Manu, although not in our favour admittedly).
Not many quality players have moved clubs, we've tried to manufacture a deal with (at the time) the Man of Steel which fell down through no fault of our own. Prince has chosen Brisbane over Hull, can't blame him, his decisions were family motivated. My point is that the big deals or potential big deal have involved us, that's a good sign, surely?

I do also think that it will take more than a signing to show our ambition, with the signings we've made if we finish top 4 and really push on in the playoffs (GF eliminator) and go well in the Cup then this will have a better effect than a marquee signing. Players on the whole want to win things and play in the big games, once we show we're truly close to this, that's when we'll see real benefits and even be able to get better value for money out of the cap.

I won't be suicidal if we go with a DJ/BS partnership next year.
There'll be plenty of others who will be mind, solely on AP's stated position at the backend of last season.
Possibly at the time our leader thought [iwe[/i were a bigger draw than what the reality actually is.
Possibly we've been very unlucky the way things have panned out.

I know some folks will say Adams off again but I spoke to Peter Gentle a couple of weeks ago and he said that the only player he was now after was a 7. Then Pearson says this in the HDM today!

"That's the nature of sport, but we'll keep looking for players of the highest quality and I am confident we can still bring somebody in over the next four weeks."
Well it is a rumours thread after all!

I will stick my neck out and say I actually think Holdsworth could prove to be our best signing this year, I rate him highly and he has a great boot on him some-thing we have lacked for some-time.

Think people going overboard on Prince yes would have being great but obviously never wanted to come and think people underestimating what a good signing Holdsworth will be. Where was it said PG talked to another 7 in Oz?

sly little insult there Paul, how very big of you.

My opinion regarding "Prince-gate" for what it is worth. I think it is probably a blessing in disguise. The full facts are not out yet, but there is suggestion that he has accepted a lesser term, possibly even slightly less money and is far from guaranteed a place in the Brisbane squad on a weekly basis. It clear to me that the second the suggestion came along that he didn't have to move to England, and could play for a NRL club just a few km up the coast, he jumped at it. I think he would have been another McKinnon, a quality player who doesn't want to be here and therefore heart is not in it.

My criticism here is with the club and the public way they have gone about things. I know some of us like it after our last lot that told us nothing, but its damaging the reputation of the club in my opinion, to the point of making us a laughing stock in some quarters (not just Rover's fans) and more to the point leading to a massive relationship management exercise with the fans and players. Expectations are all over the place and people are disappointing when they didn't need to be. I appreciate the media get hold of things at times, but they can dismiss it as rumors until they have something concrete, like everybody else seems to do.

On the pitch. I would love a half back with flare and a kicking game, but in Seymour is a good solid player, one of his qualities in my opinion is taking on the line and his defensive play the later of which you usually lack in a half back. I think he will do well. The question of course now is will his heart be in it given the public way his position within the club has been played out.

Standee once again tries to be controversial, but ends up just displaying a staggering lack of knowledge of the sport.

Again.

My fear again is turning up and seeing the 'headless chicken' style of play due to no natural, organising 7. At the minute, looking at the squad, a lot is resting on Holdsworth.

Nothing sly about my post, quite clear in what it says.

How does this make me big exactly?

You sent me some lovely pm's last month with a few insults thrown in. You're very big, a big lad.

Like you sending PM's?

That doesn't even make sense.

Have to agree with all you've said there.

all class, mostly third

funniest quote of the year

So you never sent me a PM yesterday?

Containing insults? Nope.

you never PM me anymore blunderbus , am i not in your gang anymore

Do you want to take him out on a date?

I haven't got a gang. I'm a lone ranger.

I'll pm you now so you don;t feel left out.