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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Conner Shaul missing and an unfit Kelly from a spine would effect any team.'"
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Going to stick with my homey Radders to come back strong, and hopefully with Connor and all our local front row playing together, Andre settling in, and Westy carrying on his good form, Tag returns to top notch footie, and young Litten introduced again, we will be able to push on, it was after all two points lost, not the end of the world. Warry was electric on the night, but as I say nowt won in March. Happy mother’s day to all mums on our forums.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Conner Shaul missing and an unfit Kelly from a spine would effect any team. Calling for LR out under those circumstances is unfair.'"
I'm sorry, but missing your starting full back, a winger and a decent centre is not enough of an excuse for conceding 63 points at home.
The forwards were absolutely dominated. The backline was woefully out of position all night. They surrendered. I fail to see how much difference those three would have made.
Maybe we'd have lost by 40 points instead? We'd have still been well beaten when we were supposed to be competing at the top. |
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I'd understand if it was a one off, but we've been stuffed very heavily 3 times since July (including a record defeat), lost a joint record number of defeats on the bounce, and I think Case in May last year was the last time we beat a team above us in the league (all other wins, including this year, have been against teams below us in the league).
We're not competing. We should be. We have a good enough squad to. There is something seriously wrong for this to be happening still. You can't blame injuries this year because we don't have that many (and every club gets them).
Can't go on like this any longer.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Who should he have played at centre against a destructive three quarter line?
We were missing Shaul. Connor, Naulago, Talanoa and Scott with Logan out on loan. The point around the middles is fair but with our starting 6 in the pack starting the game and absentees I understand his thinking personally. The consequence was obviously Thompson lacking the pace to handle his opposite number and missing 9 tackles.'"
Put your specs on Mrs b
I was not criticising Radford for playing Thompson in the centre i was referring to his after match comment that the decision left him short in the middles when we had Bienek,Levy or even Langtree who could have stepped in but he chose to play them the day before in the reserves.
Thats what i dont understand.
These players were brought in to strengthen the squad yet were not used when he is saying he didnt have any options. |
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Isn't april fools day the day we traditionally announce the signing of a contract by an unpopular coach?
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I remember Agar signing a big extension when we were nearly as bad as we are now
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"I remember Agar signing a big extension when we were nearly as bad as we are now'"
Indeed he did, but it's Ok as Radford is in the HDM today saying what "we" need to do. NO LEE, IT IS WHAT YOU need to do, less talk, more action, starting with your resignation, we have gone so far backwards it is untrue. |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Anyone with pride would quit after that game, but LR wont, his pride is a mixture of ignorane and arrogance.
Recruitment has been poor, retention even worse.
Back to back CC's are fab, but that 541t show last nighr was embarassing, AGAIN!'"
Is it pride, ignorance or arrogance or a fact its his paid employment and would you just walk away after a bad night in the office.
One question I'd have is who controls retention and recruitment in your club. I remember when you won the cups a lot of credit went to Tony who apparently controlled who came in. Has LR taken over this or has he been let down by who ever does now. |
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| Quote ="barham red"Is it pride, ignorance or arrogance or a fact its his paid employment and would you just walk away after a bad night in the office.
One question I'd have is who controls retention and recruitment in your club. I remember when you won the cups a lot of credit went to Tony who apparently controlled who came in. Has LR taken over this or has he been let down by who ever does now.'"
Ellis was given Motu Tony's job but he was a square peg in a round hole and it proved he wasn't the right fit and moved out. I believe James Clarke was then given the role. What it all proves imo is that it's a specialist role and requires a specialist appointment. |
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Clarke has zero input on recruitment, like everyone else on this board, apart from the financial side of any deals.
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| Quote ="ccs"Clarke has zero input on recruitment, like everyone else on this board.'"
I accept that but I would imagine he's the man now responsible for sorting the logistics and paperwork out regarding recruitment, not identifying players. |
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… absolutely, I had already edited my post to reflect that point.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"I accept that but I would imagine he's the man now responsible for sorting the logistics and paperwork out regarding recruitment, not identifying players.'"
whomever is identifying players is failing, or the purse strings are getting tighter? |
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As I’ve said a proper replacement for motu Tony is crucial especially with a squad rebuild on the horizon but it looks like we’ve missed the boat
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"As I’ve said a proper replacement for motu Tony is crucial especially with a squad rebuild on the horizon but it looks like we’ve missed the boat'"
Its better to have an established Aussie coach in place who can also attract overseas players. |
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| Quote ="bonaire"Its better to have an established Aussie coach in place who can also attract overseas players.'"
some posters keep banging on about the "Aussie" thing, why does nationality come into it, when did we last WIN anything with an Aussie in charge? |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"some posters keep banging on about the "Aussie" thing, why does nationality come into it, when did we last WIN anything with an Aussie in charge?'"
Stop appointing assistants and actually appoint a proper head coach and his team and we might find out |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"some posters keep banging on about the "Aussie" thing, why does nationality come into it, when did we last WIN anything with an Aussie in charge?'"
Haven't the last 8 major trophies have been won by:
McDermott - British 3
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Wane - British 2
McNamara - British 1
I also don't think you get many "established Aussie coaches" here if that's taken as current NRL head coaches and for those that come, more fail than succeed (obviously, only 2 major trophies up for grabs and 12 coaches  ). |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Haven't the last 8 major trophies have been won by:
McDermott - British 3
Radford - British 2
Wane - British 2
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I also don't think you get many "established Aussie coaches" here if that's taken as current NRL head coaches and for those that come, more fail than succeed (obviously, only 2 major trophies up for grabs and 12 coaches
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100% on the money |
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The other point to note is the relative cost of these established NRL coaches and their backroom teams. The NRL has had to impose a cap on spend on football departments- excluding player salaries; the average club spend is 6.3 million Aus dollars or £3.4m. Little wonder we see so few genuine top current Aussie coaches here. Craig Bellamy for example is on $1.7m p.a.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.co ... xpi4i.html
Obviously you can dip into the assistant / out of work ex coaching pool. Again, sometimes this works and if it does they're off back to Aus pretty quickly. More often it doesn't, obviously. Not to say it's a bad idea, just pointing out that making the generalisation that this would guarantee improvement is flawed. |
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The other point to note is the relative cost of these established NRL coaches and their backroom teams. The NRL has had to impose a cap on spend on football departments- excluding player salaries; the average club spend is 6.3 million Aus dollars or £3.4m. Little wonder we see so few genuine top current Aussie coaches here. Craig Bellamy for example is on $1.7m p.a.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.co ... xpi4i.html
Obviously you can dip into the assistant / out of work ex coaching pool. Again, sometimes this works and if it does they're off back to Aus pretty quickly. More often it doesn't, obviously. Not to say it's a bad idea, just pointing out that making the generalisation that this would guarantee improvement is flawed. | |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"some posters keep banging on about the "Aussie" thing, why does nationality come into it, when did we last WIN anything with an Aussie in charge?'"
1990? |
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| Quote ="Darrell"1990?'"
Yeah, think so, Smith then Cleal, 29 years ago! |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Yeah, think so, Smith then Cleal, 29 years ago!'"
Sharpe got us to Old Trafford. I know it’s not a tick in the win box. |
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Sharpe got us to Old Trafford. I know it’s not a tick in the win box.'"
We know how well that went!
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