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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Hetherington 1 Pearson 1.'"
pearson got us ellis from under your noses!!
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Thats a key point. Pearson was shouting from the rooftops about how the player was tapped up and said Agar was a key part of it so why has nothing been mentioned of this?'"
Because the RFL's first instinct is to sweep stuff like that under the carpet - and not only when Leeds are involved. They go out of their way to bury or avoid anything that might be controversial. Even if AP had some evidence to present to the tribunal they were always going to ignore it when the rule quoted gave them an easy get out clause.
And for those who seem happy to assume this was based solely on the issue mentioned publicly, you might want to ask yourselves why it took the RFL 6 months to come to a verdict on such an apparently open-and-shut case. You might also ask what these 'serious allegations' are that were apparently levelled at Gary Hetherington and the Rhinos, because in public at least it's all been about Kath, Agar, and our former BOD.
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"“Hull FC will endeavour to ensure no further young talent is poached from the club and this objective will be helped by not having such close liaisons with other competing Super League clubs"
Haven't you just merged junior development with Rovers?'"
Not the kind of 'close liaison' being alluded to.
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| Well if Pearson knew the rules and knew what the eventual outcome was going to be it seems strange if his motive was to cause a stir at the RFL, its hardly going to help him and Hull going forward his actions and post result reactions. If a carbon copy case comes up next year will people think its a case of boy who cried wolf?
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| Quote ="number 6"pearson BOUGHT us a 33-year-old second row from Australia!!
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Don't worry. Leeds will keep developing and picking players up and when their careers are still ahead of them...
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| Quote ="craigizzard"FYP
Don't worry. Leeds will keep developing and picking players up and when their careers are still ahead of them...'"
funny how you were all wetting yourselves when his dad was telling leeds fans he was coming back to you!
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| Quote ="number 6"funny how you were all wetting yourselves when his dad was telling leeds fans he was coming back to you!'"
Good player, obviously. Will do well for Hull if he's fit and wouldn't have minded him back at Leeds on a reasonable wage that didn't mean we'd lose any rising stars. Hull wanted to spend more and that's fine. Ellis wanted a bumper last contract and that's alsofine. Still don't think that's a point to Pearson though, especially if you lose Manu and Turner because of it.
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| Quote ="Kosh"As I've posted elsewhere, I have a feeling that there were some other issues - not in the public domain - that he wanted to test at the tribunal. He may have expected to lose given that he clearly has no trust for the RFL or their processes, but felt that he should put the case forward anyway.'"
That being the case, the only reason i could imagine for doing this would be to put those reasons in the public domain. Otherwise seems utterly pointless
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Good player, obviously. Will do well for Hull if he's fit and wouldn't have minded him back at Leeds on a reasonable wage that didn't mean we'd lose any rising stars. Hull wanted to spend more and that's fine. Ellis wanted a bumper last contract and that's alsofine. Still don't think that's a point to Pearson though, especially if you lose Manu and Turner because of it.'"
manu and turner will go, but will be replaced with similar or better, we will wait and see! again other fans of clubs think we have paid big money to ellis when its been reported other teams offered more!
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| Quote ="Leeds Thirteen"icon_lol.gif We had the bloke 7 years ago in his prime , before he decided to top up his pension
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must be all pensioners in the nrl then if he wins player of the year awards over there!
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"“Hull FC will endeavour to ensure no further young talent is poached from the club and this objective will be helped by not having such close liaisons with other competing Super League clubs"
Haven't you just merged junior development with Rovers?'"
True but as far as I know, Adam Pearson & Neil Hudgell do not share the same bed
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| I would hope Hull FC could be a bit more circumspect and concentrate a bit more themselves and the undoubted improvements they as a club need to, and can make.
Bradford have spent 6 years blaming the previous administration and have even hidden behind the big bad Leeds distraction, but it didnt get them anyway.
The difference between this Leeds Organisation and others in SL, and Leeds previously, is instead of looking for excuses and looking to lay blame they have taken control of what they can and changed it, and swallowed the things they cant and moved on and found a different way.
When Bradford took Harris, we had a case, stood by it, and took it on. When Canterbury took Eastwood, or even Newcastle took Buderus, we put didnt really have a defence, so we took it and found a way to win without them.
If Pearson is going to concentrate on blaming the previous administration, big bad Leeds, the RFL and whoever when things go wrong, then that way Bradford leads.
Or he could take his medicine, move on, and concentrate on making Hull FC a place young players want to be and bringing Hull FC's youth development up to the standard of Leeds, their first team to being as successful, there will be nothing to need to blame on anyone.
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| Luke Briscoe chose Leeds over Hull FC, Gareth Ellis chose Hull FC over Leeds.
Time will tell how much we'll regret losing LB, if at all. Who's to say we won't snap him up in a few years time anyway
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| Quote ="Sheldon"However the Tribunal determined that under Operational Rule C1:3:12(a) Hull FC had relinquished their entitlement to compensation because the terms of the new contract they had offered Briscoe were less favourable than his previous
Says it all really, didn't AP know this? It's a pretty standard rule.'"
Quote ="R.B.A"Reading his response, i still dont think he is understanding the rule. You can make a player 1000 offers but if none match or exceed his current deal then he can walk away for nothing.
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I believe the only criteria is as RBA says is that it needs to match the current deal they are on.
I think AP will have known all of this and it was too late for him to salvage anything, but good to see that he is prepared to stand up to the powers that be and challenge the corruption in the game
I think Luke was only on a 1 year part time contract
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| And lets face it , it is well known that FC have historically treat the academy lads like e for the past few years, hence why a lot have chosen to go to Rovers , we had the monopoly and got greedy, it will take time for that to be re-dressed
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| Bit of handbags there from AP. Is Luke Briscoe actually any good?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It was an assumption based on me not thinking that Adam Pearson lacks the competency and intelligence needed to switch on a computer or open a book. Maybe I was wrong, maybe Pearson is that incompetent to have involved himself and your club in a tribunal process against another member club without doing even the minimum research and then launched in to a hissy fit when someone pointed out to him the blindingly obvious flaw in his case.
As I say, I gave him the credit that he had launched the claim knowing he was going to lose in a strange way of making some yet to be determined point, but if you think he was too stupid to either A) bother to check the rules, or B) understand them, then im not going to argue with you'"
Yes on the surface they may have kept within the rules, but I recon Person proceeded with the case hoping to at least expose the underhanded way it was done by the Hetherington’s, Agar and Rule.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if that drop in the offer to Briscoe’s contract, was deliberately engineered by the previous board in collusion with GH, as a means to poach him away from the club.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I thought the comments previously were about Kath and the previous board/admin. What precisely did he say about Hetherington?'"
I'm guessing it is the assumption that Leeds were somehow untoward or underhand about the signing of Briscoe. Whether he expected a "fair" result or not, by taking it this far he challenged Hetherington in a domain that he is pretty faultless in and in turn questioned his honour (sorry, went all kung-fu movie there for a second...)
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| Quote ="Kosh"Because the RFL's first instinct is to sweep stuff like that under the carpet - and not only when Leeds are involved. They go out of their way to bury or avoid anything that might be controversial. Even if AP had some evidence to present to the tribunal they were always going to ignore it when the rule quoted gave them an easy get out clause.
Do you mean like the Hull FC OxyElite drugs scandal?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"True but as far as I know, Adam Pearson & Neil Hudgell do not share the same bed'" Thanks Coddy
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| Quote ="Isaiah"Yes on the surface they may have kept within the rules, but I recon Person proceeded with the case hoping to at least expose the underhanded way it was done by the Hetherington’s, Agar and Rule.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if that drop in the offer to Briscoe’s contract, was deliberately engineered by the previous board in collusion with GH, as a means to poach him away from the club.'"
What was underhand about it?
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"What was underhand about it?'"
why would a club offer one of its best prospects a lower contract??
doesn't sound right does it?
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