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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I think it's because he's not a definite pick at centre for FC yet , never mind at international level.
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He should be next season imo.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"He should be next season imo.'"
Fair enough, but as it stands he's got 2 internationals to compete with in Briscoe and Yeaman, hence not a straightforward pick.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Fair enough, but as it stands he's got 2 internationals to compete with in Briscoe and Yeaman, hence not a straightforward pick.'"
Indeed, but out of the 3 he is arguably the best centre on 2009 form.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Good job - need to keep the totty quota up with Long, O'Meley and Fitzgibbon arriving shortly.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Fair enough, but as it stands he's got 2 internationals to compete with in Briscoe and Yeaman, hence not a straightforward pick.'"
Yeaman is a [iformer[/i international centre, and Briscoe is an international winger.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yeaman is a [iformer[/i international centre, and Briscoe is an international winger.'"
Hopefully with a decent half back Yeamo can reclaim that form again, I reckon in a few years Briscoe will have shaken off the Winger tag.
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| Thought Briscoe did well, too his two tries very well and seemed comfortable in defence.
I don't like all the tit for tat comparisons with Fox but regardless of whether Briscoe gets called up or not for the four nations I would not play Fox on the wing. Would be a weak link that the Aussies/Kiwi's would expose imo.
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| Taking aside all interclub rubbish..
I thought Briscoe showed up well last night, took his second try really well and did what was asked of him. Fox still looks a bit shot confidence wise, can be a great player and his work rate is very good, just needs to shake off his end of season dip.
Personally I wouldn't play either of them in the 4 nations, as been said fox's form of late doesn't deserve it and personally think it would do Briscoe more harm than good being part of an england side that will get slaughtered by the aussies. I agree the aussies blood tehm young, but they put them into a world class team and that makes all the difference.
Give Briscoe a full season (injury free) with you and then I think he'll be fully ready both mentally and physically forwhatever the aussies may throw at us.
Think you've got a real gem there, normally take it with a pinch of salt when fans rave about a player (Moa, Hall etc) but think you have the right to with this lad, put it this way if i could pick one player outof your team for us to sign, including all your new signings and Berrigan, Briscoe would be top of the list...
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| Quote ="barham red"Taking aside all interclub rubbish..
I thought Briscoe showed up well last night, took his second try really well and did what was asked of him. Fox still looks a bit shot confidence wise, can be a great player and his work rate is very good, just needs to shake off his end of season dip.
Personally I wouldn't play either of them in the 4 nations, as been said fox's form of late doesn't deserve it and personally think it would do Briscoe more harm than good being part of an england side that will get slaughtered by the aussies. I agree the aussies blood tehm young, but they put them into a world class team and that makes all the difference.
Give Briscoe a full season (injury free) with you and then I think he'll be fully ready both mentally and physically forwhatever the aussies may throw at us.
Think you've got a real gem there, normally take it with a pinch of salt when fans rave about a player (Moa, Hall etc) but think you have the right to with this lad, put it this way if i could pick one player outof your team for us to sign, including all your new signings and Berrigan, Briscoe would be top of the list...'"
Good post.
While it's been amusing for me to watch the bigged up Fox fall down now, I agree that he's out of form at the moment and agree that I wouldn't play him against the Aussies. What you don't want is a good player coming back next season with his confidence in pieces.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yeaman is a [iformer[/i international centre, and Briscoe is an international winger.'"
The question is from a Hull FC point of view can you pick a 17 man squad and NOT include Tom? Its one thing saying he is young and developing but the kid is too good to leave out IMO.
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| Quote ="barham red"Taking aside all interclub rubbish..
I thought Briscoe showed up well last night, took his second try really well and did what was asked of him. Fox still looks a bit shot confidence wise, can be a great player and his work rate is very good, just needs to shake off his end of season dip.
Personally I wouldn't play either of them in the 4 nations, as been said fox's form of late doesn't deserve it and personally think it would do Briscoe more harm than good being part of an england side that will get slaughtered by the aussies. I agree the aussies blood tehm young, but they put them into a world class team and that makes all the difference.
Give Briscoe a full season (injury free) with you and then I think he'll be fully ready both mentally and physically forwhatever the aussies may throw at us.
Think you've got a real gem there, normally take it with a pinch of salt when fans rave about a player (Moa, Hall etc) but think you have the right to with this lad, put it this way if i could pick one player outof your team for us to sign, including all your new signings and Berrigan, Briscoe would be top of the list...'"
at last a bit of sense
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Thought Briscoe did well, too his two tries very well and seemed comfortable in defence.
I don't like all the tit for tat comparisons with Fox but regardless of whether Briscoe gets called up or not for the four nations I would not play Fox on the wing. Would be a weak link that the Aussies/Kiwi's would expose imo.'"
Totally agree Fox is better in attack IMO ( JUST ) but his defence looks quite poor and would be a turnstyle for Australia
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| Quote ="knocker norton"The question is from a Hull FC point of view can you pick a 17 man squad and NOT include Tom? Its one thing saying he is young and developing but the kid is too good to leave out IMO.'"
No. And it's clear with a 5 year deal signed that he'll be a player we will build the team around.
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| keep fox in and let the Aussies and the Kiwi's rip his confidence out of him
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"www.sporthull.co.uk/hullfc/news/EXCLUSIVE-Hull-FC-s-Tom-Briscoe-Nations/article-1434882-detail/article.html
Crikey. All a bit shrouded in mystery. Good luck Tom
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hes in for o'loughlin who has a broken hand, good luck tom
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| Awesome, really chuffed for him!! Well deserved!!!
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| Hope he gets a good go an them now. Would be a shame for tom to be in the squad but not play, especially if it were at the expense of calamity Fox.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hope he gets a good go an them now. Would be a shame for tom to be in the squad but not play, especially if it were at the expense of calamity Fox.'"
Oh ffs, since when does one below-par game make you a bad player?!
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| Quote ="Roofs"Oh ffs, since when does one below-par game make you a bad player?!
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1? Did you not watch your end of season games? He's bombed more tries in the last 2 months than i care to remember. He's looked very average and i was surprised when he was even called into the squad. The supprise seemed justified on Saturday too.
Fox should be nowhere near the England team currently.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"1? Did you not watch your end of season games? He's bombed more tries in the last 2 months than i care to remember. He's looked very average and i was surprised when he was even called into the squad. The supprise seemed justified on Saturday too.
Fox should be nowhere near the England team currently.'"
To be fair though he had some pretty big shoes to fill taking over from Ford.
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