That's a fair post but you're just as guilty of doing the same to anyone who doesn't agree with your positive view on most things FC

We all are. I’ve written some harsh things on here that weren’t fair or justified. Some of them may have been lost in my dull, usually overlong posts at least.

It’s good to try remember that there’s a difference between wanting to argue and wanting to fight. I don’t always. Generally, anybody I reply to I respect, even if it is a snotty reply, and they sometimes do my head in.

I missed the start and end of the game doing other stuff, but from what I saw, it seemed to be a good contest in difficult conditions.

That's sort of what I'm saying Jake. I'm explaining how I see things. Relentless negativity to me is harmful to the club's interests just as the other side see my positivity/pragmatism as holding the club back.

You attempt to paint my posts as overly negative. Can you find one from this thread you can use as an example of what you consider me being overly negative.

I don't recall you being harsh at all. Unless I just didn't understand some of your long words.

The other main point which for me made a difference between winning or losing was the difference in the defensive line speed. Warrington as soon as we ptb they were on top of us and in our face and we very rarely had anyone steaming into a ball at pace. Where as we let Warrington ptb and conceded at least 12-15M each and every time by just standing and waiting for them. That’s how they made so much ground each set as we were just surrending field position. That’s why Warrington were more effective with their kicking game as they were more often able to put in attacking kicks under no pressure to trouble us where as Sneyd/Kelly were more often having to kick from outside their 40 line.
It’s something we’ve been guilty of since last season and it needs addressing as it seems to empty our tank and may explain why we can’t do 80 mins consistently with the effort needed to make up the ground we concede.
Warrington had the right game plan and executed it and fir the full 80 mins and deserved the win.

Also, as someone else just alluded to, we aren't very good at game management. Other teams have more patience than us and try grubbers into the in goal to get repeat sets whilst we seem anxious to score from kicks to the wing every set, even if the last tackle play isn't on for it.

Defending multiple sets on your own line is very mentally and physically draining. If we forced more repeat sets we'd wear down the opposition more.

Watch the CC semi finals of 16 and 17
Then watch Sat’s game

We are a totally different side and for me
we have to ask the question

“Has familiarity set in ?”

As you say Sneyd was kicking a lot from inside our own half due to our lack of yardage in possession but i wouldnt say he was kicking under pressure.
My criticism of Sneyds kicking on the day was he just kicked it straight into the arms of a Warrington player.
It was raining and the pitch was wet he should have been varying his kicks and using the wet pitch to kick low and hard giving the receiver something to think about when attempting to recover a wet ball from the grass, instead it was just a simple catch under no pressure as we didnt have a kick chase,
He did the same from the kick offs after their first two tries.An easy kick into their 20 instead of hard low kick across the wet turf.

Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday

If our pack had performed a bit better in attack and made more yards then our kicking would have been more effective but we did the best we could under the circumstances. Wires line speed was excellent too. Hopefully next season the pack will be stronger

Just realised this has been highlighted by jake and Bonaire but much more detail! Apologies.

It was a cracking match though best bit of RL I watched in a while and congrats wire getting to the final

Didn't need any parental support for my university and post graduate education in England. It was all free! How was that allowed to change?

Superb

And the same could be said about you.

Let him carry on digging.
Ifs pretty obvious there could only be one winner, and it wont be him.

Have to say I don’t think Mrs B is coming across lonely and sad at all.
Really not comfy with some of the personal comments on here.

Can’t we just debate our team with our own personal views and not persist in getting into crossfire and sometimes the drawn out Tit for tat ? Which is becoming tedious at best.
It’s hardly going change someone’s opinion, and I like reading how other co fans see the game and read the game.
No one should be shot down for a belief about the game or our team, even if we disagree.
Would be good if some on here could bury the hatchets and just make this a good place to air OUR VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS on the club we love.

Nothing on here is harmless to anything other than the mental health of some seemingly fragile individuals. I've said before that some people on here take it far too seriously

I agree with the comments on here re the changing line speed and the huge advantage that is giving teams. Yes Warringtons line speed was noticeably faster then ours and it really hampered our first and 2nd receivers, and probably our game plan too.
So it’s clearly a really key tactic.
If Wire were faster than us, when we played Saints a few games ago they were on a different level. They were literally sprinting to meet our line at our play the ball. They kept it going for the 80 too, so their fitness levels have to be very high to maintain that.
I just think that Holbrook has really pushed this key change with Saints and they are leading the way.
These days more than ever If you can’t match your oppositions line speed your in for a tough day at the office.
And Saints have set the benchmark we all have to match.

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wasn't to disappointed over loss,maybe too many errors.better side won.we have a tremendous record winning semis.5 on the bounce,law of averages say you will lose one eventually.

I was genuinely surprised at how we (Wire) played on Saturday given our truly abysmal showings the previous 2 weeks.
Price has obviously drilled into them the game plan - kicking game, strong chase and big efforts to restrict meters in tackles 1 to 3 based on line speed and numbers, BUT fair play to Hull. You took chances when they came and we never really looked like we'd shake you off until the final try. Ratu showed great speed and stood up our defence like a kipper, and the Kelly kick was top draw.
Radford pointed out the deficiency - high kick defence - and I can well understand his frustration if you'd been working on it all week.

I counted the wrong calls by the ref and I saw 4 that went against you - including the Shawl break which I didn't think was a knock on. There was 1 against us. I've counted worse but even so...

Onward and upward.

I actually am In 2 mins about getting to Wembley. Depends which Wire turn up.
We could get totally stuffed.
You may yet have the last laugh.

Good luck in the final.

Have Saints ever played Wire in a Challenge cup final, I don’t recall.