Have faith Mrs B, have faith.

There's too much at stake for the club not to 'engage the fans'
The people that run the club are doing a fine job off the field - recruitment has been good so far (2010)
We (Hull Fc) gambled and overloaded the forwards hoping for a bit of luck in the injury department and it failed (again) one thing is for sure in 2011 we need a better balanced squad.

I'm sure there'll be more signings to come; some fans just want to hear about them upfront (myself included) but we should all realise that's not how this club does its business.
Someone will probably pick me up for being a club pacifist; I can assure you I am not. I crave for this club to be up at the top and I [ido[/i hold those at the club responsible for us underachieving. Let’s make no bones about it: We have underachieved in the last few years, we all know that, I am also not daft enough to think the players, coaches, directors etc etc don’t know that.

I am as passionate as any fan that supports this club, or any other club for that matter. What I don’t subscribe to is the constant slag-a-thon that some fans seem to revel in.
After every defeat we get the ‘team-sheet tirade’: Players that have and on occasions haven’t played are dissected, hung drawn and quartered along with everyone else including the tea lady.

I will be there next season as Hull Fc are my team >In Any kind of weather<

Utter tripe.

Grade A licence must really rankle does it ? Enviable community partnerships and junior development must hurt like hell. The club has never been run better off the field and reached out into the community more than it does now. But those s at the top have the audacity to expect a penny or two as a return on their investment. Shocking.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be there as well.

Just commenting the momentum of the PR tidal wave we were on the end of last year has dissipated somewhat after getting beaten on Saturday so the club will have some work to do with the floating voters to persuade them to renew.

Come on Mrs B rugby league clubs have been a well known cash cow since Adam and Eve. And you know as well as I do there are a whole raft of investors chomping at the bit in these cash rich times to jump in and take us to that next level.

Good points well made.

Spot on

I could have sworn that I agreed that the present board would be unlikely topull the rug from under the club.

Grade a licence rankle ?????????????


You really need read more " trolling for dummies"

Nobody is disputing we have turned around as a club off the field and it is something i have backed the club 100% over. Some people slate Rule/Kath etc but i think they have done an outstanding job on the whole. However the major part of the club is on the field and we have failed to deliver for to long and the fans are getting sick of it.

Nobody should be expecting us to win everything or anything for that matter. However what they should be expecting is to be able to compete with the other teams around them and we have failed to do this for too long. I love this club with a passion but there comes a point when you have to draw a line and that point is different with each and every one of us.

Quite. It's illegal to pay a dividend as we still have negative P&L reserves. We are one of only 3 clubs to make a profit (Warrington's off the back of CC success), and spending the full cap means the directors can't be taking huge salaries or the numbers simply wouldn't add up. I find it utterly staggering that people honestly believe that all 5 shareholder directors are syphoning off funds from a business the size of Hull FC and living a Simon Cowell-esque luxury lifestyle off the back of it. They may make a few quid when they sell the club, but no bugger else would put the money in to save us, and the business valuation will take into account the self-sustaining business model they have worked hard to achieve, so good luck to them.

OK then.

Does not exist

They have some work to do that's for sure, so much so they'll be selling lifejackets in the club shop to save some of the "floating voters"

People get very confused and take any critism of the club as an attack on it, its not that at all. The club have been very good off field and with the finances superb, I support that and always have . The club has fallen down is in the coaching department, since JK left we have struggled. The present board have long had problems with our coaching staff, Bomber lost a very good player to another club simply because they knew what we had offered him. His relationship was at best rocky once Richo left to return to Oz and it continued and got worse after he left. JK was never paid the proper rate, only as an assisitant thats mainly why he left as he refused to perform a lot of off field activities .

This is a grade A club and that demands a Grade A coach not a reserve grade coach given the title, A coach who is allowed to manage and select the team.

perhaps we may see another one of our coaching staff depart this week

The team has needed rebuilding and it's a painful process at times none more so than losing a game like the other night. Our style must improve to be successful. IMO we still don't have the players in play making positions to be at the very top and possibly not the coach. The improvement process must continue and it's getting harder with fewer quality players available. We haven't got it right yet but we are getting there. We were hopeless at home for 2 years but this year we were within a hair's breadth of the best home record in the league. At times we're still dire but better than we were. If progress on the field next year stagnates or goes backwards then the coach should be replaced IMO. If support falls away the resources will disappear and the club will fall backwards and become less attractive to outside players and coaches - even less attractive than it seems to be already. Support is critical to success and that is my whole point here.

I don't dispute any of your points however (as your quoting me directly) please show me where I said the directors where in this for 'massive' personal gain? Also please make me aware of any points in the quoted post which are incorrect? Anyone beleiving this board have invested money in Hull FC to lose money overall are also utter loons!! They may have been willing to make short term losses but you know as well as I do they are here to make long term profits.

Was combining your and Ian P's "golden goose" points - you said the directors motivation was to make money, my argument would be that few business people would invest in sporting clubs if they were serious about a financial return being their primary motivation. They've been in the business for 10 years or so the fact that they're still miles and miles off being able to take a dividend means it's a very very long payback period. As stated, they'll make a few quid when they sell, but off the back of work they've done to make us one of the only self-sustaining businesses in the competition, so deservedly so.

That was exactly my thinking for this year. If we're playing the kind of stuff I like to watch I won't care it costs me a bit extra, but forking out nigh-on £200 and then being miserable would be the real waste.

And therein lies the answer "profits" Profits from a successful club - ON and OFF the field.
What people fail to grasp is this club have learnt from previous mistakes that led to it almost becoming extinct.
They have set or are setting the foundations so this doesn’t happen again.
When it comes together all those who are ‘undecided’ as to whether they’ll ever attend another game will be back telling us all they’ve supported the club throughout.

Good points well made (again).

No pass for me,no shirt,no funbus,im finished with them.




































































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Ive had the same seat since the stadium opened and nothing will change,ill get my pass as always in dec and my shirt for crimbo,the funbus will be back out for friendlies after xmas, Hull Fc are my team and ill follow them through thick and thin.

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I don't dispute that and hope your right but no one from the club has come out and said we know we'll be crap for the next 3 years but bear with us it'll come good in the end. I for one am not happy at having to pay my money up front to watch this crap any more!! I'm not stopping supporting the club but I'm going to pick and choose based on performance, if they play well they'll get more of my money. It makes me no less a fan than anyone else, it's what choice is all about.

Spot on. We can have as many grade A licences and profits as we like, but success in this game is measured on the field. We are simply not good enough there and being great off the field therefore becomes almost pointless.

I never made a golden goose claim? I simply said they can't take their money out of the club that easily. The directors charged us a reasonable interest on the money they loaned us so they have made some money from that and ATEOD no one knows what their ROI will be when they sell the club but IMO they are not here to lose money.

Owning a sporting club provides presteige to those who can afford it and let's be honest Rugby league is harldy a millionaires play ground is it so the risk isn't as great as football. A sleeping giant of the game if handled correctly with one of the biggest and most loyal fan bases in the game is a failry good long term bet.

My point on the financials where simply that if the club sense they will start to lose more money than changing something will cost because fan's have had enough, they will more likely change smething than not, or would you disagree?