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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Was Ben Cockayne in it, kicking back, so to speak?'"
Was jason crookes in it,assault of the earth,so to speak?
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| Quote ="deslawson"Was jason crookes in it,assault of the earth,so to speak?'"
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| Oh great dipstick Deslawson is back on not sure I can stand all the intelligent posts we will get now.
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| Quote ="Punos"Oh great dipstick Deslawson is back on not sure I can stand all the intelligent posts we will get now.
HDM must be slow today'"
I informed you all at 1145 yesterday carvell was in the 19 man squad, and got shouted down for that ! Its a tough school.
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"Mu understanding of TUPE is that the employee has to agree to it, Carvell didn't agree to be TUPE'd from OK Bulls to Bulls 2014 so effectively he resigned, don't think the Bulls have a case but we will see how it goes over the coming weeks.'"
Having just done some reading up on this it sounds like that is right on the TUPE front.
Reading the statement it sounds like Bradford are claiming he was contracted to the club rather than the parent company of OK Bulls but if the parent company went into administration then that means any companies they own also went into administration surely?
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"Having just done some reading up on this it sounds like that is right on the TUPE front.
Reading the statement it sounds like Bradford are claiming he was contracted to the club rather than the parent company of OK Bulls but if the parent company went into administration then that means any companies they own also went into administration surely?'"
Not exactly. The Bulls club is not a legal entity and cannot go into administration. It's effectively a brand/product owned by OK Bulls and now owned by the newco. As such, their assertion that Carvell had a contract with the Bulls club and not the parent company is patent nonsense.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Not exactly. The Bulls club is not a legal entity and cannot go into administration. It's effectively a brand/product owned by OK Bulls and now owned by the newco. As such, their assertion that Carvell had a contract with the Bulls club and not the parent company is patent nonsense.'"
Thanks for clearing that up for me Kosh. Can't see a case for Bradford here myself.
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| Just seen an article that I saw yesterday that looks as if it's been reworded to say they're suing carvell whereas yesterday they were suing Hull FC. Seems like a total mess from the Bradford end and either way they can't have much of a case.
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| Quote ="the cal train"Just seen an article that I saw yesterday that looks as if it's been reworded to say they're suing carvell whereas yesterday they were suing Hull FC. Seems like a total mess from the Bradford end and either way they can't have much of a case.'"
They have no case against FC and never did, much like we never had a case against Rovers when Cooke left. I very much doubt that they can build a convincing case against Carvell either - or at least not one that makes any commercial sense to pursue.
It's just bluster. Much like our threats following the Cooke fiasco.
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| Quote ="the cal train"Just seen an article that I saw yesterday that looks as if it's been reworded to say they're suing carvell whereas yesterday they were suing Hull FC. Seems like a total mess from the Bradford end and either way they can't have much of a case.'"
They need to get some proper lawyers. Their so-called "HR experts" aren't even solicitors. They may be ok for dealing with employment tribunal claims but they can't handle this sort of litigation.
I'm sure that HUll FC have nothing much to worry about and doubt Carvell has either.
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| It's just noise from Bradford, neither Carvell nor FC have any case to answer.
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| Quote ="Standee"It's just noise from Bradford, neither Carvell nor FC have any case to answer.'"
Thinking the same thing. Maybe trying to save face with the fans a bit.
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| Can see the bulls fans now, sat in court waving their sponge fingers in disgust haha
More chance of that happening than fc or carvell being there
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| From Simon Clark of the BBC (@simonhul) on Twitter:
[iJust spoken to Bradford who confirm threatened legal action is against Gareth Carvell not RFL or Hull FC[/i
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| Quote ="Punos"Oh great dipstick Deslawson is back on not sure I can stand all the intelligent posts we will get now.
HDM must be slow today'"
Use the ignore button (foe).
I do and i can't see any of his posts
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| Quote ="Diogenes"From Simon Clark of the BBC (@simonhul) on Twitter:
[iJust spoken to Bradford who confirm threatened legal action is against Gareth Carvell not RFL or Hull FC[/i'"
I don't know if he owes them anything legally, but morally you would think he owed them something as they have paid him for months with zero return. I personally think he owes them compensation but whether the case is strong enough for Bradford to risk losing after paying legal fees is another thing altogether
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| Quote ="number 6"Can see the bulls fans now, sat in court waving their sponge fingers in disgust haha
More chance of that happening than fc or carvell being there'"
they only wave fingers when bloke on mike tells them and cant see the judge coming out and saying wave your finger in air
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| Quote ="Willa"Quote ="Diogenes"I don't know if he owes them anything legally, but morally you would think he owed them something as they have paid him for months with zero return. I personally think he owes them compensation but whether the case is strong enough for Bradford to risk losing after paying legal fees is another thing altogether'" '"
Zero return? I presume he turned up for training, attended club and community events etc, what more could he do in the off-season?
The company that "paid him for months" is now in administration. Bradford Bulls is just a name, not a legal entity.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Zero return? I presume he turned up for training, attended club and community events etc, what more could he do in the off-season?
The company that "paid him for months" is now in administration. Bradford Bulls is just a name, not a legal entity.'"
His twitter account includes a photo of some of the players at training so would assume he was there!
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Zero return? I presume he turned up for training, attended club and community events etc, what more could he do in the off-season?
The company that "paid him for months" is now in administration. Bradford Bulls is just a name, not a legal entity.'"
He put in a stirling performance in the pre season trial against Hull FC, his only game in a Bulls shirt
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| This is how the Craig Kopczak saga started....
Quote In a statement, Shuttleworth (his agent) said: 'Craig was notified by the joint administrators by letter dated September 3, 2012 that his playing contract had transferred with effect from August 31, 2012 to OK Bulls Ltd.
'He then served notice on the administrators that he objects to the transfer of his employment under the relevant TUPE legislation.
'The net effect of having served the notice is that he is deemed to have resigned with effect from August 31, 2012 and his employment with the club is automatically terminated.''"
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| Aside from Mrs B's obvious penchant for rough-arsed props, this is a great signing. We must have released someone though as Motu said the cap was full.
On the subject of litigation, Bradford don't have the resources to go to court over this. It will cripple them. Any law firm will look at their finances and request pro forma.
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Aside from Mrs B's obvious penchant for rough-arsed props, this is a great signing. We must have released someone though as Motu said the cap was full.
On the subject of litigation, Bradford don't have the resources to go to court over this. It will cripple them. Any law firm will look at their finances and request pro forma.'"
Was thinking about that, surely your gonna either let go a similar big earner or a few squad players to make this work? Any ideas who they are?
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Was thinking about that, surely your gonna either let go a similar big earner or a few squad players to make this work? Any ideas who they are?'"
Radders and Pearson.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Was thinking about that, surely your gonna either let go a similar big earner or a few squad players to make this work? Any ideas who they are?'"
Well. A few of our players are fighting each other.
Our fullback is crippled
Ellis will not play again
The ex cas lads are always drunk
We have more question marks than Who wants to be a millionaire
A few are always missing training as it is prison visiting hours for their family (oops wrong club)
I am sure there have been more rumours as well
Could be anyone, could be 10, take yer pick
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