I just read all of City1904's posts.

There's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back.

I need to have a say.
What Starbucks did was technically within the letter of the (tax) laws but Joe public saw it as being unethical and pressure of the public forced a change. Whilst it may be within the law for SMC to charge for hanging photos this does not make it right. Likewise the public can force a change of mind.
With City no doubt running at a loss then it would make sense to transfer those losses onto an associated business to reduce taxation / council dividends and possibly have those losses covered in part by another unconnected party - raising whatever charges are possible be it season ticket handling to hanging photos. A number of staff costs and overheads could be “reappraised” to achieve this. So what if city are paying for the privilege of hanging their photo’s up – the payments being made will only be covering losses which in all likelihood originated from their football operations. The SMC’s financial performance over the past 2 years v the first 8 years does seem to suggest this.
Notwithstanding the numerous accounting avenues that could be at play here the underlying issue is the disrespect to a local sporting icon. Everyone has seen the creeping takeover of the stadium and the tiger adorned reception for some time but the emotional fight is about justice and respect for Johnny. I never saw him play, much too young

, but there is a degree of aura about the man that cannot be ignored and from his glittering playing career to ambassadorial role for the city and sport. It should be the SMC paying JW for the privilege to be associated with the great man not the other way round!
When the Allams first bought Hull City an elderly man muttered one word to me – “Ruscadors”.
I won’t put another penny into the Allams coffers – be it football, refreshment stands, or squash!

No, But It Can Come From The SMC.. Wonder If That's Why It's Running At A Loss

can we not boycott the food stands and hit them were it hurts, in the pocket.

Does hitting Allam in the pocket really hurt though?
I mean, what's a few burgers to him?

This whole thing is obviously some kind of petty issue between Allam and Pearson but it seems atm that Pearson has more than met his match.
With the clout Allam has compared to Pearson, it looks a bit like he could be turning up to a gunfight holding a stick.

In a sugar coated ideal world you would be Mr Allams Chief Negotiator. You should at least give it serious thought.... and just give him a bell.

I guess your right but the possibility of losing around 1-2k every 2 weeks would mean the balance sheets would need "Adjusting" even more, then if there was ever a audit it would bite him on his tutankhamun.

John Meehan ‏@MeehanMedia (former Mail editor)

Powerful interview in #HullDailyMail with #HullFC legend Johnny #Whiteley on the KC Stadium pictures row. Calls it a slur on Hull FC.

Johnny Whiteley in #HullDailyMail: 'It's left a sour taste .. removing these pictures is like saying 'we don't want you'.' #HullFC #hcafc

Johnny #Whiteley in #HullDailyMail: 'I'm not going to beg them to put those photos back .. they will find out how the people feel'. #HullFC

wow, it's been a hectic 12 hours, a few comments.

HUGE thanks to Phill, lots of noise in council chambers yesterday, interesting to see what the press release says
MASSIVE thanks to everyone who called Sports Talk (I didn't get chance to listen as had appointments)
ENORMOUS thanks to the HDM for what they're running today, they still want the "20 Questions about the SMC", I'll start a thread and see if we can get it stickied.

A now, a request, WE MUST NOT LET THIS DIE DOWN, it's easy to get all shouty at the start of something like this, but it often fizzles out, and that is what the Allams are counting on. I don't expect FC to comment as it's comercially sensitive for them and we don't know what other clauses are in the lease agreement about speaking up on such things, but I imagine what we're doing is being watched and appreciated.

KEEP UP THE PRESSURE, KEEP SENDING EMAILS, if you haven't done anything yet then please, PLEASE send even the briefest of emails to the Council, they need to understand the depth and spread of feeling. Most DECENT City and KR supporters are behind us, especially about the stupidity of having a suite named after a guy but with no images of him.

myuncleharry (or whatever your new username is) you seem to have no appreciation for the history of sport in Hull, Barmby and Windass achieved NOTHING compared to Johnny Whitely, Barmby is, I agree, a great guy and a great ambassador for the City, Windass, just a bloke who kicked a bag of wind. Maybe you should read the citation on the Jack Harrison memorial next time you go to fellate the Allams, sorry, I meant "support Hull City", just in case Mr Allam decides that has to go, then you can tell us all how you "have no idea who this whathis name Harrison guy is".

With Allam as Dr Evil. "I can defeat you Mr Pearson, by taking these pictures down!"

You say AP has taken a stick to a gunfight. I say Allam is involving himself in a childish playground argument. Hopefully when teacher calls him back in for class, Allam will start behaving.

SMC should never have been run by an interested party.

Will the council have the guts to remove Alllam and SMC as the management company, what are people's views on how close actions like these strain the brief of the SMC to the limit and therefore allow the council to act.

Could the council use this situation to show they are no longer willing to be undermined by a man who's sole aim is personal gain at any cost.

I don't think the Council can remove the Allams from the SMC, or the SMC from the stadium.

It's the last legacy of the Hetherington regeime for not getting involved at the outset, I bet "she's" wetting herself over all this.

I knew FC were reluctant to get involved at the start, daft decision as it was a way to safeguard FCs interests.
The moment FC weren't on board an independent SMC should have been established.

As I recall (and I may well be wrong) AP had already established the SMC and invited FC to "buy a seat" so to speak.

I know the answer already but I assume that Allam has already looked at the legal position and the council are stuck with the SMC. So what do they do about him, as this is going to get messy.

OK, that makes more sense. The council still decided to appoint the SMC though, which how ever you look at it seems like a conflict of interest.

In these things hindsight is a wonderful thing, had AP still been employed by the Allams then none of this would be happening, had AP not "sold" City and gone to Derby he'd never have bought FC, you can keep going round it as long as you like.

I honestly believe the Council thought FC would jump at the chance to be part of the management of their own home, what moron wouldn't..............................step forward Kath & Co

[url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-FC-legend-Johhny-Whiteley-Removing-pictures/story-18125424-detail/story.htmlRemoving pictures is a slur on History[/url and also on HIS STORY!

I understand that you have stated you will not comment further, but I can't help but thinking that you will keep an eye on this thread.

Firstly, as has been pointed out, to the Allams The KC Stadium is not [itheir[/i property. Something a lot of City fans find hard to grasp.

Secondly your comment of "Neither Hull City nor Hull FC have any right to to put pictures up." is difficult to verify. Despite not having read the lease agreement (something I doubt you will have either). I am confident there is nothing in the agreement between the tenants and SMC about hanging pictures on walls. I am also confident there is nothing in the agreement which states that either club CANNOT hang pictures on the walls. This leads to the main issue of implied terms of contracts. For the first 10 years of usage of the stadium there has been nothing preventing the showing of this memorabilia. Therefore it becomes implied that it is not a problem and its something which will not be challenged.

Finally, and connected to the second point. The SMC cannot change the terms of a contract (written or implied) without the consent of both parties.

Now that's the legals out of the way. If you cannot see the substance of what is happening, then you really do have a bigger issue to address.

Just a thought, if the boot was on the other foot how would the Hull FC fans react at the City rants?

My own view is if the boot was on the other foot and our owner was acting like this for no apparent reason but greed/generating more income or more likely a petty dig at the Council/Hull FC/AP I would be very worried....

Everything is currently going well at City on the pitch although loosing money hand over fist, what happens when the fans get on his back? Perhaps another Lloyd in the making if he owns the stadium it could also be the Tigers that are homeless!!!!!!!!!!!

I think all this with Assem Allam just shows him up for the bully boy dictator he really is?

Just more proof that as long as everyone bows down to him he's ok but should he not get his own way then he'll do whatever he can until he does.

The guy clearly has no morals for someone proclaimed himself to be the saviour!! Yeh right what a crock of that is.

The KC Stadium is a Community Stadium of the people of Hull and is NOT OWNED by Assem Allam which seems to be the root of the problem. As a Council owned facility the stadium should be full of the whole City's sporting history as a matter of PRIDE NOT PRICE.

My worry not only for Hull Fc but also for Hull City is that it could ge the end if both if the Allams get ownership of the Stadium.

All Allam has done is prove that HCC were right to refuse him rhe purchase of the KC never mind the fact he never actually came up with an offer that was even remotely market value.

Finally Mr Allam it seems you have made yourself wealthy but sadly with all your money you can not buy humility, honour or gratitude and would rathet ride roughshod over a city and its people who gave you a safe place to live and raise your family.

Beware of the Lib Dems gaining control of the Hull City council

Taken from their forum, posted 16th jan

re: Mr Allam please take note's I said on another thread, the Allam's have not only made 3.5 million available to Steve Bruce but have also ploughed another 7 million in to keep the Club on an even keel. Our debt to them is now over 50 million.It is also common knowledge now that the Allam's were intent in securing the KC Stadium as part of a development plan. This has not eventuated because Hull City Council stopped it.They cannot keep doing this and have to get some return. The EPL is one way to do this but would they simply use that money to wipe off the Clubs debt to them leaving us to come crashing down once more?We are between a rock and a hard place just now but I believe their EPL aim is for next season when we have got rid of all the old 'high wage earners' and can set the Club back on track. 



Could he be trying to get more money from Hull fc for what he's but into ty

Already has so I'm told. They received their invoice the same time as we did although not sure whether they have paid it in full or not.

So he's paying himself then?