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| Quote ="IR80"are you proposing a collection for all the concourse staff, stewards etc. that will not get paid at all if they don't work?'"
I imagine we all spend money on non essentials as we see fit. If you bought a couple of bottles.of wine this week, for example, is that to be criticised too?
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| Quote ="IR80"are you proposing a collection for all the concourse staff, stewards etc. that will not get paid at all if they don't work?'"
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| Quote ="IR80"if it sits well with your conscience to save a sports club rather than someone struggling to buy food, fair enough.'"
Why the guilty conscience coercion all of a sudden. Haven't we always had folk struggling to buy food etc?
Have you refused to spend money at the sports club in the past to rather support someone struggling to buy food? fair enough.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"Why the guilty conscience coercion all of a sudden. Haven't we always had folk struggling to buy food etc?
Have you refused to spend money at the sports club in the past to rather support someone struggling to buy food? fair enough.'"
no coercion at all, just a genuine question. People spend their money as they see fit, personally I think donations to a business in the current state of things is not the best use of any cash, but as I say, that is what I think [ipersonally[/i
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| Quote ="IR80"no coercion at all, just a genuine question. People spend their money as they see fit, personally I think donations to a business in the current state of things is not the best use of any cash, but as I say, that is what I think [ipersonally[/i'"
I don't see the club as a business. I see it as my weekly escape, the chance to let off stresses from work and home. The chance to see people from our community flourish in a sport that they love to play. I see it as a team, an entity that we can all get behind. I see it as a piece of history that my family through generations have followed with passion and love. It is the euphoric high of a cup win, or the devastating lows of a defeat.
But if it is just a business to you, then that is fine.
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| I'd happily contribute, maybe so kind of raffle with club related prizes. I've just signed up for Hull Fc live to help the club out and get my rugby fix, although it could be the Leeds game on repeat.
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| The club to me is more than a business too.
It's part of the community, it's were 4 generations of my family have been and where I go with my friends, family and take my children to watch, the next generation of fans.
If there was anything I could do to assist our great club I would also do what I could.
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| all laudable, if somewhat romantacised feelings. Will the first team squad give 10% of their salary back "for the good of the club"? I doubt it. We are not, and have not since SL came in, talking about labourers, fishermen, warehouse workers. I will take whatever abuse people want to throw at me, bring it on. Sport is a hobby,, it is not an intrinsic part of society. Do you think M'au, Savellio, Fonua crossed oceans out of anything other than £'s?
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| Quote ="IR80"if it sits well with your conscience to save a sports club rather than someone struggling to buy food, fair enough.'"
What a ridiculous arguement. I assume that you have never spent any money on a luxury in your life? You just give all of your disposable income to the homeless? What a top guy.
What people spend their money on is nobodies business but their own.
For a lot of people the club is a huge part of their life and their community. If Hull FC ceased to exist I know that it would leave a huge hole in my life, and there are people for whom it plays a much bigger part than for me. Some people out there practically live for the club and would be totally lost without it. If the club was about to go under and needed saving then that would qualify as a worthy cause imo.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head":1h8ovgkqWhat a ridiculous arguement. I assume that you have never spent any money on a luxury in your life? You just give all of your disposable income to the homeless? What a top guy.
What people spend their money on is nobodies business but their own.
For a lot of people the club is a huge part of their life and their community. If Hull FC ceased to exist I know that it would leave a huge hole in my life, and there are people for whom it plays a much bigger part than for me. Some people out there practically live for the club and would be totally lost without it. If the club was about to go under and needed saving then that would qualify as a worthy cause imo.'" if FC mean that much to you then do as you please.
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| Quote ="IR80"Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"What a ridiculous arguement. I assume that you have never spent any money on a luxury in your life? You just give all of your disposable income to the homeless? What a top guy.
What people spend their money on is nobodies business but their own.
For a lot of people the club is a huge part of their life and their community. If Hull FC ceased to exist I know that it would leave a huge hole in my life, and there are people for whom it plays a much bigger part than for me. Some people out there practically live for the club and would be totally lost without it. If the club was about to go under and needed saving then that would qualify as a worthy cause imo.'"
For clarity, said [ipersonally if FC mean that much to you then do as you please.'"
Without getting in too deep on this debate its not quite as simple as just saving a sporting club, staff at Hull FC are just as vulnerable to the possibility of being laid off, shorter hours etc and still have to pay bills, get shopping etc also the knock on affect from small businesses that rely on an income stream be it on match day or through the season from both rugby clubs is not to be sniffed at either.
We are all facing some testing times not just locally or nationally but globally.
My personal take is to a certain extent this Corona virus is getting blown out of proportion and creating hysteria in part due to the different ways it is being handled globally, some misleading media coverage and pretty much no one having any real solid knowledge on the virus.
For many people the clubs they support be it Hull, Rovers, Hunslet, Batley or workington town etc play an important role within their communities and are to some, a lifeline.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Without getting in too deep on this debate its not quite as simple as just saving a sporting club, staff at Hull FC are just as vulnerable to the possibility of being laid off, shorter hours etc and still have to pay bills, get shopping etc also the knock on affect from small businesses that rely on an income stream be it on match day or through the season from both rugby clubs is not to be sniffed at either.
We are all facing some testing times not just locally or nationally but globally.
My personal take is to a certain extent this Corona virus is getting blown out of proportion and creating hysteria in part due to the different ways it is being handled globally, some misleading media coverage and pretty much no one having any real solid knowledge on the virus.
For many people the clubs they support be it Hull, Rovers, Hunslet, Batley or workington town etc play an important role within their communities and are to some, a lifeline.'"
100% this, what is going on (wether we believe it is being hyped) it totally transcends a sports club.All I hope is that we all come through it, and are arguing about an onside/offside in FC winning the Challenge Cup later in the season. RL is a hobby, the fact it has become romantic is a sad indication. life will go on, with, or without, Rugby League.
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| Couldn't we simply, continue the season as soon as the restrictions have been lifted? That way, there is no debate of who wins trophies etc
And when it comes to.the rugby league clubs, they'll end up regaining some of the lost revenue? Ok the clubs will lose out on some of the money, but maybe, because supports have been cancelled for a period of time more fans will.come out and cut the losses down.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Without getting in too deep on this debate its not quite as simple as just saving a sporting club, staff at Hull FC are just as vulnerable to the possibility of being laid off, shorter hours etc and still have to pay bills, get shopping etc also the knock on affect from small businesses that rely on an income stream be it on match day or through the season from both rugby clubs is not to be sniffed at either.
We are all facing some testing times not just locally or nationally but globally.
My personal take is to a certain extent this Corona virus is getting blown out of proportion and creating hysteria in part due to the different ways it is being handled globally, some misleading media coverage and pretty much no one having any real solid knowledge on the virus.
For many people the clubs they support be it Hull, Rovers, Hunslet, Batley or workington town etc play an important role within their communities and are to some, a lifeline.'"
As for Covid19 getting blown out of proportion, when the government state they want to keep the death toll below 20,000, I think you’d best start taking it serious. Alot of us are at the wrong end of our lives and have underlying problems
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| Quote ="Armavinit"As for Covid19 getting blown out of proportion, when the government state they want to keep the death toll below 20,000, I think you’d best start taking it serious. Alot of us are at the wrong end of our lives and have underlying problems
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Yet annually on average 17,000 die from flu and that does not get reported on.
Not saying covid 19 isn't a very real threat as it's a new illnesses but the over hyped way it's being reported in the media only continues to fuel the hysteria.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"Yet annually on average 17,000 die from flu and that does not get reported on.
Not saying covid 19 isn't a very real threat as it's a new illnesses but the over hyped way it's being reported in the media only continues to fuel the hysteria.'"
And, as someone discussed with me today, ebola probably killed many more, but it was in Africa, hardly impacted Europe, no real figures reported, no daily updates from 10 Downing Street. Covid-19 has hit Europe and it is mass panic. 5 people in East Yorkshire (at the time of posting) have tested positive, FIVE, out of almost 450,000 people. 5 too many, yes, but there will be 100 times more suffering with pneumonia and associated complications.
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| Quote ="IR80"And, as someone discussed with me today, ebola probably killed many more, but it was in Africa, hardly impacted Europe, no real figures reported, no daily updates from 10 Downing Street. Covid-19 has hit Europe and it is mass panic. 5 people in East Yorkshire (at the time of posting) have tested positive, FIVE, out of almost 450,000 people. 5 too many, yes, wash your hands, throw tissues away, basic hygiene.'"
Tested being the operative word. The confirmed number of positive tests in the UK as of 9am today is 1,950 however the actual figure of people who have the virus is estimated to be up to 50,000.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Tested being the operative word. The confirmed number of positive tests in the UK as of 9am today is 1,950 however the actual figure of people who have the virus is estimated to be up to 50,000.'"
50,000 out if 70 million.....(estimated, possibly, potentially...)
this isn't an "argument" anyone can win, I hope the final figures are way below what anyone fears, I look forward to a day when we can discuss more mundane things, it is here, we all need to deal with it as best we can.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"Yet annually on average 17,000 die from flu and that does not get reported on.
Not saying covid 19 isn't a very real threat as it's a new illnesses but the over hyped way it's being reported in the media only continues to fuel the hysteria.'"
I think the figure for flu related deaths, annually, is 8,000 but imagine what it would be if we didn’t have vaccines, which is exactly the situation we’re all in with Covid19. Anyway, I hope you escape it and avoid the coming lockdown. I don’t see any hysteria, I see a government issuing guidelines and the majority of folk, heeding the advice. My last comment on this because I believe some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"I think the figure for flu related deaths, annually, is 8,000 but imagine what it would be if we didn’t have vaccines, which is exactly the situation we’re all in with Covid19. Anyway, I hope you escape it and avoid the coming lockdown. I don’t see any hysteria, I see a government issuing guidelines and the majority of folk, heeding the advice. My last comment on this because I believe some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee.'"
Definitely my last comment on this. I’ve just been to Pets at Home to get dog food and I’m really glad to tell you all that there is no hysterical panic buying of rabbits, hamsters, gerbils and tropical fish, so there’s plenty to go round, FOR NOW!!!!
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Quote ="Chris71"Without getting in too deep on this debate its not quite as simple as just saving a sporting club, staff at Hull FC are just as vulnerable to the possibility of being laid off, shorter hours etc and still have to pay bills, get shopping etc also the knock on affect from small businesses that rely on an income stream be it on match day or through the season from both rugby clubs is not to be sniffed at either.
We are all facing some testing times not just locally or nationally but globally.
My personal take is to a certain extent this Corona virus is getting blown out of proportion and creating hysteria in part due to the different ways it is being handled globally, some misleading media coverage and pretty much no one having any real solid knowledge on the virus.
For many people the clubs they support be it Hull, Rovers, Hunslet, Batley or workington town etc play an important role within their communities and are to some, a lifeline.'"
As for Covid19 getting blown out of proportion, when the government state they want to keep the death toll below 20,000, I think you’d best start taking it serious. Alot of us are at the wrong end of our lives and have underlying problems
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I clearly said to a certain extent it was getting blown out of proportion due to a lot of misinformation particularly within the media. There is still no real hard and fast knowledge of it as the experts are learning as they go along as its an unknown and with that comes a lot of speculation good and bad. the very fact that a large number people all over the world are clearing the shops of just about everything panic buying as though there will be no more is proof that there is hysteria.
It is without doubt a very real threat and I did not say otherwise.
Who are you to say I am not taking it seriously?? I also have underlying health issues and have been and am following the guidelines so I am not
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| Quote ="Chris71"I clearly said to a certain extent it was getting blown out of proportion due to a lot of misinformation particularly within the media. There is still no real hard and fast knowledge of it as the experts are learning as they go along as its an unknown and with that comes a lot of speculation good and bad. the very fact that a large number people all over the world are clearing the shops of just about everything panic buying as though there will be no more is proof that there is hysteria.
It is without doubt a very real threat and I did not say otherwise.
Who are you to say I am not taking it seriously?? I also have underlying health issues and have been and am following the guidelines so I am not
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Armavinit is clearly concerned for there own well being, and nobody can criticise that. BUT there is no need for him/her to criticise other people for not hiding from the world. As you say, there are good and bad news stories all around, personally I have a healthy scepticism of The Indy and The Guardian, as well as Imperial (a research University who are making headlines to gain more funding). COVID-19 is here, nobody [ireally[/i knows what to expect, it is all best guesses and good intentions. We (the UK) spent over £50m on Tamiflu, which proved largely ineffective, against HN51, scientists are currently using a coacktail of drugs from treating HIV in humans and a Coronavirus variant in cats to stall if not cure COVID-19,, with some success. We have many more weeks of uncertainty ahead, digging a hole and hiding in it will not cure anything, it will still be there when isolation stops.
Acquiring a herd immunity appears to be the best way forward, taking the initial stress off the NHS seems wise, seeing if warmer weather helps is also sensible.
ask yourself this (not you personally Chris71, but everyone in general, and nobody in particular), IF COVID-19 is highly contagious, why are the fountains near the City Hall still emitting fine spray, a spray that could easily pick up waterborne particulates from sneezing and pass them into the airways of anyone passing by. Why are the buses running, and the trains, we are advised to not go to crowded pubs, but ASDA, TESCO, B&M Bargains, Sainsbury's, Waitrose remain open, we are advised not to go to restaurants, but they have not been told to close., if they were, insurances would have to pay out.
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| Well done Wakey fans. From Michael Carter
Today the support from fans has been fantastic. 9 signed up for Trinity Tv. 10 people have bought 24 lines in total. And 15 people have joined Squadbuilder. All in all, raising £3490 for the Club. I cannot thank you enough.
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